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posted by janrinok on Friday November 12 2021, @11:33AM   Printer-friendly

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Microsoft is taking the fight to Chromebooks in schools with the $250 Surface Laptop SE, but inexpensive hardware is only part of the equation. One reason Chromebooks have succeeded in education is because of Chrome OS, which is well-suited for lower-end hardware, easy for IT administrators to manage, and hard to break with errant apps or malware.

Microsoft's answer to Chrome OS is Windows 11 SE. Unlike past efforts like Windows in S mode (which is still its own separate thing), Windows 11 SE isn't just a regular version of Windows with a cheaper license or a cut-down version that runs fewer apps. Windows 11 SE defaults to saving all files (including user profile information) to students' OneDrive accounts, and it has had some standard Windows 11 features removed to ensure a "distraction-free" learning environment that performs better on low-end devices. The operating system also gives IT administrators exclusive control over the apps and browser extensions that can be installed and run via Microsoft Intune.

If you're a school IT administrator with a fleet of PC laptops or desktops, you might wonder if you can buy and install Windows 11 SE on hardware you already have so you can benefit from its changes without buying new hardware. The answer, Microsoft tells us, is no. The only way to get Windows 11 SE is on laptops that ship with Windows 11 SE. And if you re-image a Windows 11 SE device with a different version of Windows 10 or Windows 11, it won't even be possible to reinstall Windows 11 SE after that.

[...] Microsoft has published documentation (PDF) that more fully explains the differences between Windows 11 SE and the other editions of Windows (including Windows in S mode).

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by SomeGuy on Friday November 12 2021, @04:10PM (5 children)

    by SomeGuy (5632) on Friday November 12 2021, @04:10PM (#1195646)

    Microsoft has totally lost it.

    First they jack up the FAKE hardware requirements on Windows 11 and then they have the audacity to try and market to the low end-chomebook... but only if you buy new hardware.

    "distraction-free" as a special feature? I guess everyone has forgotten that it used to be OSes would not mutate and change every day, bury you in alerts, restart for updates the moment you need to get something done instantly, spy on you, or send everything back to Microsoft. Most of that should be ILLEGAL.

    "defaults to saving all files (including user profile information) to students' OneDrive accounts." because sending your information to Microsoft is such a good idea? Sure, teach children to be good little consumertard cattle so they can grow up to be batteries that power advertisers.

    And of course, won't let you re-install or re-image? I guess you can't even restore from backups? That is beyond stupid. Probably designed to make people throw them away and buy new ones quickly. You see that large yellow tint that is covering the planet? That is Microsoft pissing on the environment.


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 12 2021, @04:32PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 12 2021, @04:32PM (#1195651)


    MS know exactly what they're doing, and they know what they can get away with. Like that have for ~30 years.

    • (Score: 4, Interesting) by DannyB on Friday November 12 2021, @05:00PM (1 child)

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Friday November 12 2021, @05:00PM (#1195662) Journal

      Like that have for ~30 years.

      40 years.

      This really started about 40 years ago with the original IBM PC.

      IBM believed all the profit was in the hardware, and the software was just a mere necessity to make the hardware useful.

      Bill Gates understood (as did others also) that the Software is the real profit center once you have standard cross vendor hardware. An idea completely foreign to IBM's thinking. Competition? What competition?

      Bill Gates shrewdly asked and got IBM to agree to letting Microsoft rebrand PC DOS as MS DOS and sell it independently. I'm sure IBM couldn't see any possible harm in that. After all it is only IBM who makes the IBM PC. Apple, Tandy and other computer makers' computers won't be compatible with MS-DOS.

      Interesting thing though. The IBM PC was made out of off the shelf parts. Nothing custom. Easy to clone -- other than creating your own BIOS that just happens to have the same entry points for the same functions.

      Once PC clones were born. There was a market for MS-DOS.

      Now here is where Microsoft first turns evil. Hey, Mr PC Clone maker, if you want a license for MS-DOS, you have to pay for a copy of MS-DOS for EVERY computer you sell -- whether or not that computer comes with MS-DOS or not.

      What this did is make it impossible for other OSes (and there were some) to compete with MS-DOS. The customer still had to pay for MS-DOS even if they didn't want it and wanted a Brand X operating system.

      Out of control 3 yr old grabs steering wheel of limosuine and throws food against wall in temper tantrum.
      • (Score: 4, Informative) by PinkyGigglebrain on Saturday November 13 2021, @02:31AM

        by PinkyGigglebrain (4458) on Saturday November 13 2021, @02:31AM (#1195830)

        Not quite.

        PC-DOS [] was originally created by Seattle Computer Products as CP/M and then licensed to IBM with Microsoft's help it became PC-DOS. Microsoft later puchased CP/M outright and modified it to create MS-DOS which was licensed to IBM as PC-DOS for bundled sale with the IBM PC but also sold as it's own product for the clones that were already popping up. At the time there were actually dozens of versions of 808x disk operating systems available.

        more info at []

        IBM's big blunder here was thinking that the hardware was more important than the software and not enforcing their ownership of the PC related IP thinking along the lines of "no one will by a cheap knockoff, they will only want an IBM product". As they found out painfully later with the failure of the IBM PCJr and PS1/2 brands with IBM only proprietary hardware people didn't care of IBM, they just wanted an affordable computer that did what they wanted it to do.

        Microsoft went on to become the behemoth we all know and loathe/love today while IBM has manged to at least keep their name alive with their mainframes.

        "Beware those who would deny you Knowledge, For in their hearts they dream themselves your Master."
  • (Score: 2) by Rich on Friday November 12 2021, @05:39PM (1 child)

    by Rich (945) on Friday November 12 2021, @05:39PM (#1195682) Journal

    Microsoft has totally lost it.

    Not according to the finance markets. Microsoft's market cap just overtook Apple.

    Pathetic, but that says as much about the degeneration of the western populations as it says about the usual greed of any megacorp.

    • (Score: 4, Informative) by choose another one on Friday November 12 2021, @06:28PM

      by choose another one (515) Subscriber Badge on Friday November 12 2021, @06:28PM (#1195707)

      > Not according to the finance markets. Microsoft's market cap just overtook Apple.

      Also worth noting that most of the value is now outside of Windows the OS. I remember when Google was being touted as the new cloud provider to maybe come second to AWS, and the laughter from many quarters when MS started a cloud (I mean what did MS know about big datacentres FFS?). Look where Azure is now (and a lot of it ain't running Windows). As well as the continuing strength of Office on the client side, over the last decade or so MS has created (or in many cases, bought) a huge server/services application portfolio upscaling the DB (SQL Server) to be a serious competitor to Oracle &co., Sharepoint, Dynamics/CRM, BI tools, Teams, etc. Those are all big ticket items if implemented at scale, and they do all scale now.

      Windows OS? - meh. I wouldn't be surprised if internally "Windows" was the last place MS staffers want to work these days. It's on the way out.

      The future is WSL - look how they named it: "Windows Subsystem for Linux", right now it gives you Linux hosted by Windows, in future it'll be Windows (Win32 / userspace) hosted on Linux, won't even need a name change.

      I reckon Windows, at least on client machines, has 10yrs left now.