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From a recent Science Reports paper:
Online debates are often characterised by extreme polarisation and heated discussions among users. The presence of hate speech online is becoming increasingly problematic, making necessary the development of appropriate countermeasures. In this work, we perform hate speech detection on a corpus of more than one million comments on YouTube videos through a machine learning model, trained and fine-tuned on a large set of hand-annotated data.
Our analysis shows that there is no evidence of the presence of "pure haters", meant as active users posting exclusively hateful comments. Moreover, coherently with the echo chamber hypothesis, we find that users skewed towards one of the two categories of video channels (questionable, reliable) are more prone to use inappropriate, violent, or hateful language within their opponents' community.
Interestingly, users loyal to reliable sources use on average a more toxic language than their counterpart. Finally, we find that the overall toxicity of the discussion increases with its length, measured both in terms of the number of comments and time. Our results show that, coherently with Godwin's law, online debates tend to degenerate towards increasingly toxic exchanges of views.
Journal Reference:
M. Cinelli, A. Pelicon, I. Mozetič, et al. Dynamics of online hate and misinformation. [open] Sci Rep 11, 22083 (2021).
DOI: 10.1038/s41598-021-01487-w
(Score: 5, Insightful) by sjames on Thursday November 18 2021, @03:53PM (10 children)
Or perhaps it is better explained by a natural difficulty dealing with a grown ass adult that claims the moon is made of green cheese and the earth is flat.
It's the same dismissiveness that Arthur expressed in "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" when the limbless black knight continued threatening him.
The frustration that a person who cannot or will not acknowledge plainly evident objective reality continues to prattle on in an apparent effort to drown out rational conversation.
It's the same urge to laugh I once had downtown seeing two noisy street corner preachers get into a knock down drag out catfight while both shouting about how we must repent our sins.
It's true that the mainstream media is no paragon of truth and accuracy, but that doesn't mean the babbling village idiot has anything better to say.
(Score: 2, Redundant) by Phoenix666 on Thursday November 18 2021, @04:00PM (6 children)
It also doesn't mean there aren't others who do have something better to say. The corporate media and Big Tech are lying and censoring all over the place. They represent an existential threat to our constitutional rights. The government and the Beltway are in lockstep with them on that.
If you want honest voices these days, you must look to those who aren't in on the scam, that is, the outsiders. You can easily tell who they are because they are the ones who are not using the same talking points that the scammers are. They say things that contradict those talking points, or that are dissecting them to discern what is true and what isn't.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by sjames on Thursday November 18 2021, @04:37PM (5 children)
Not quite. Simply believing the opposite of a bad source will only send you to bizarro world. If the broken clock says it's 6:00, the correct conclusion is not that it is never 6:00. The problem comes in when people rightly conclude the town crier is unreliable and so they believe ANYone saying something different. In reality, it is possible that sometimes the town crier is correct. It is also probable that the mumbling bag lady is just mumbling nonsense, it's a mistake to believe her just because she disagrees with the crier.
If the town crier claims that the King is a hero and you shouldn't drink furniture polish, it's fine to disagree with the first point, but some people run out for a cool refreshing bottle of furniture polish in the process.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 18 2021, @05:28PM (2 children)
Doubtful p666 will listen, he went down the rightwing rabbit hole long ago. Your point was very well said though, maybe he'll get the point.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday November 18 2021, @08:49PM (1 child)
sjames authored a post in which he was making an argument, without any ad hominem like you have done, and I replied in like fashion. It's what adults do.
Give it a try.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 19 2021, @12:45AM
But, it's true, p666 used to be a good soylentil. But then he got old and cranky, and more Runaway-like. Not a fallacy if it's true, so not an ad-hom.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday November 18 2021, @08:46PM (1 child)
I responded to a post that posited the choice was between the mainstream media and a babbling village idiot, meaning, that there is no other possible credible source. I said, not so, there are other credible choices. Elsewhere in the thread a couple of times I listed Glenn Greenwald and Matt Taibbi as examples; they are doing what news organizations used to do, which is to do their research, investigate, and ask questions that make the rich and powerful and complacent uncomfortable.
So what you are pointing out is actually something I didn't say, which is to believe the "babbling village idiot." Your construction is binary, Media OR babbling village idiot, and my claim is that there are more than two choices, and some of those choices are better than either of the choices in your construction.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by sjames on Thursday November 18 2021, @09:11PM
Actually, I made no claim that there were only two sources, just that some alternatives are as bad or worse than the mainstream. My comment was that much of the name-calling and "toxic" comments are directed at those who choose the village idiot as their alternative source simply because he is saying things that oppose the mainstream and that the nature of those comments likely reflects extreme frustration.
My construction was open and contrasted two of many options.
Sometimes the correct source is the little boy laughing at the Emperor for parading about naked.
(Score: 2) by darkfeline on Thursday November 18 2021, @09:13PM (2 children)
Dismissiveness != toxicity. Your argument falls flat. If it is simply a case of dealing with imbeciles, you would just ignore them.
Join the SDF Public Access UNIX System today!
(Score: 2) by sjames on Thursday November 18 2021, @09:45PM
Wow! That didn't sound at all desperate!>
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 19 2021, @04:59PM
I mean, it would be great to ignore imbeciles, but the problem is they keep getting elected, making them much more dangerous to ignore.