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Largest U.S. Bank Cuts Ties to Conservative Group, Canceling Donald Trump Jr. Event
The country's largest bank has cut ties with a Missouri conservative group, forcing an event that had been set to feature Donald Trump Jr. to be immediately canceled.
[....] Defense of Liberty founder Paul Curtman, a former GOP state representative, told the Missouri Independent that WePay informed him in a message that it would no longer do business with his group based on an alleged violation of terms of service and had refunded $30,000 in payments already processed for the event.
"It seems you're using WePay Payments for one or more of the activities prohibited by our terms of service," the message reportedly states. "More specifically: Per our terms of service, we are unable to process for hate, violence, racial intolerance, terrorism, the financial exploitation of a crime, or items or activities that encourage, promote, facilitate, or instruct others regarding the same."
Maybe Trump Jr and Defense of Liberty political action committee should not promote such things?
Or . . . maybe those things are their core message, and appeal to their base.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by fustakrakich on Thursday November 18 2021, @07:41PM (37 children)
We still have to demand banking neutrality, common carrier. Remember, wikileaks is suffering the same issue. Banks are there to process payments. We can't let then decide for whom or for what. That kind of stuff is between buyer and seller, nobody else's business.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 4, Interesting) by DannyB on Thursday November 18 2021, @09:10PM (20 children)
So banks should be forced to deal with payments related to hate, violence, racial intolerance, terrorism, the financial exploitation of a crime.
If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by fustakrakich on Thursday November 18 2021, @09:30PM (7 children)
Banks should not know anything but the amount transferred and where it goes. Don't let them meddle in politics. You are ignoring that the same is happening to wikileaks. Would you also advocate that the phone company monitors your communications and block anything they or you find offensive?
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by krishnoid on Friday November 19 2021, @02:23AM (5 children)
Absolutely! They shouldn't pay any attention to that stuff [rollingstone.com], especially if it might benefit them, or they can get away with it [rollingstone.com]. Maybe the banks are a little more scared because they can't get away with it any more.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by fustakrakich on Friday November 19 2021, @03:35AM (4 children)
No, the bank isn't supposed to know anything more about a transaction any more than the phone company is supposed to know about a phone call, or the post office about a letter, just pass the data like a dumb pipe. In all cases the government can get a warrant when needed.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 20 2021, @02:08AM (3 children)
Example: Banks are required to report ALL suspicious transactions, not just those over $10,000.00
This applies to ALL businesses. No wilful ignorance allowed.
Get a job (if you legally can). Maybe you'll actually be relevant to society for the first time in your life.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday November 20 2021, @03:49AM (2 children)
Banks can report whatever is legally demanded of them, what they shall not so is deny service and pick and choose customers
:-) I'll try, I promise.. Stayed tuned. I know you will... Anything else?
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 20 2021, @08:08PM (1 child)
Businesses aren't allowed to knowingly enable illegal activity. Like the casinos that got caught on hidden camera money laundering. So grow up (though at your age you should have completed that long ago), get a job (if you can), and stop the stupidity.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday November 20 2021, @08:21PM
When the banks get caught doing something illegal, feel free to arrest them. We don't make the phone company report what goes over the line without a warrant. The same should apply to the banks
:-) Ok
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 19 2021, @02:56AM
"Give me control of a nations money and I care not who makes its laws."
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 18 2021, @10:37PM (1 child)
Like the bank, you think anything in the world that you disagree with must be hate, violence, racial intolerance, terrorism, etc.
You're wrong. The bank's wrong. Either you're a credulous fool, or a bastardly liar.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday November 19 2021, @03:42PM
You have it backwards. But being backwards is not a surprise. Try turning it around . . .
I disagree with things because they are hate, violence, racial intolerance, terrorism, etc.
If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday November 19 2021, @01:40PM (9 children)
Yes. It's not their business. For the previous post, where does Wikileaks fall on that list? Once you have the tools to suspend someone for fantasy and ambiguous crimes like "hate" and "racial intolerance", you have the tools to suppress someone for being inconvenient to the state.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 19 2021, @06:22PM (3 children)
BAKE THE CAKE!
BAKE THE CAKE!
BAKE THE CAKE!
KAPERNICK IS A HERO!
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday November 19 2021, @10:15PM (2 children)
Nailed it in one Mr. Garibaldi.
Any company should be forced to do things or serve customers it does not like, if I like those things.
Any company should never be forced to do things or serve customers it does not like, if I don't like those things.
Totally typical of Republicans. Every single time.
They can never put themselves in someone else's shoos. Or see things from someone else's perspective. The rules are fluid depending on whether I like it or not.
Same for Big Tech and censorship:
* Big Tech should not be able to censor views of parties I happen to like, even if they spread misinformation and lies
* Web sites like Parler, Gab, etc, should not be forced to host radical left wing content based on reality and facts
If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday November 20 2021, @02:06AM (1 child)
A bakery is not a bank. Don't know what your shtick is here, but you're not answering relevant questions or acknowledging the flaws in your argument. We cannot allow basic services to be discriminatory or administered politically in any way.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 20 2021, @10:41PM
That is an often misunderstood ruling. By law the bakery was required to sell any advertised* cake to anyone who paid the advertised price. What they didn't have to do was personalized decorations, because custom work is explicitly exempt in that law. That same law is supposed to apply to every business that sells goods or services to the public. As banks advertise and sell financial services to the public they shouldn't be allowed to play favourites. If you pay the listed fees then you should receive the listed services.
*This includes any display item in the store.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 20 2021, @02:41AM (4 children)
Do you know what "stealthing" is? It's removing a condom during sex without informing your partner. Assange pulled this shit at least twice, and many countries consider this to be non-consensual sex, making him a rapist. He kind of lost sympathy with many who followed his actions.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 20 2021, @04:34AM
That was the claim, and never actually proven. It was treated as the foundation of a charge that was ostensibly politically motivated, and apparently on very shaky grounds.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday November 20 2021, @04:38AM (2 children)
Red herring. That had nothing to do with the funding of Wikileaks, even if it were true. Banks are just as justified pulling your banking services for that as they are Wikileaks.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 20 2021, @08:13PM (1 child)
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday November 21 2021, @04:35AM
You didn't make that point earlier. But if you had, I would have noted that Wikileaks was based [wikipedia.org] in Iceland, and that one of their primary payment processors was also in Iceland (and lost [wired.com] a court case concerning that boycott).
Notice the phrase "violated contract laws". When these payment processors make a contract with Wikileaks, they make a contract which remains enforceable even if the other party is not a resident. But most of the parties involved, including Wikileaks, have residence in multiple countries and hence, that excuse doesn't fly. A typical approach is for a local office to make a contract with the local office of the other party.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday November 18 2021, @09:11PM (12 children)
Next, you'll say that businesses must serve even a class of people who would not wear a shirt or shoes. Or a mask.
If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday November 18 2021, @09:34PM
Why would you assume something so absurd? Izzat one of those "strawmen"?
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday November 18 2021, @09:42PM (10 children)
Next, I might say that businesses must serve even... the coloreds! oh noes! I mean, for absurdity, let's go for the max...
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 19 2021, @03:59AM (9 children)
There are protected classes of people for just that reason. Opinions have never been a qualifier for protection that I know of. Speaking of straw men, are you on your way to find the wizard? The wonderful wizard of Oz?
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday November 19 2021, @06:05AM (8 children)
Sorry, "protected" or not, no discrimination by basic utilities allowed. Banking, electricity, phone, internet, etc must be made accessible to everybody without prejudice of any kind.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 19 2021, @06:09AM (1 child)
There are always exceptions such as criminal hackers not allowed online. But yes, agreed on basic services. Maybe less goalpost moving in your discussions, or at least learn how to segway[sp] better.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday November 19 2021, @06:16AM
I'm not playing football. Just pay better attention, too much personal bias can distort perceptions.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 20 2021, @02:29AM (5 children)
And certainly anyone who has a court order against them accessing the internet will be legally denied internet service.
Can't pay for web hosting? Want to run a site that violates the ToS of free hosting services? So sad, too bad, sux 2 B U.
Bad credit risk? Loan or credit denied. Housing denied unless you have a guarantor (co-signer). (but you already knew that).
Criminal history? Forget about being hired in nany jobs, or even being allowed to do volunteer work. Or serve on a jury.
No vaccine passport? No entry in many places - and yes, even essential services such as stores can still bar you under the pretext of workplace safety, so you work in essential services and aren't vaxxed, you can be considered to have quit.
History of disruptive behaviour? No bus or taxi service for you.
Deposited fake cheques or even an empty envelope to commit ATM fraud? Banking privileges revoked.
At one point during the pandemic 20% of the US had their water shut off for unpaid water bills. Water is essential. But people were still being cut off.
Skip out on leases too many times? Don't be surprised nobody rents a place to you. All legal.
Shoplifting? Barred, even if the store is one that provides essential services.
No shoes, no shirt, no service. etc, etc, etc.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 20 2021, @07:13AM
fascist
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 20 2021, @05:26PM (3 children)
These examples are materially different in that they have direct bearing on the commercial relationship in question, not external, unrelated activities.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 20 2021, @08:17PM (2 children)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 20 2021, @09:07PM
Just more fascism. You are a bad person
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday November 21 2021, @09:29AM
Wikileaks != Assange. And "non-resident"? "Foreign country"? Where do you think those banking services reside? The Moon?
Why would the bank have an expectation that the account could be used fraudulently? My take is that if we don't take a stand against this nonsense, it's just going to get worse.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 18 2021, @09:25PM
<sarcasm>I used to support Wikileaks until they exposed the malfeasence of my political in-group. But now they deserve it.</sarcasm>
(Score: 3, Interesting) by cmdrklarg on Friday November 19 2021, @04:11PM (1 child)
It's all about liability. Pretty sure they wouldn't care if it were not for potential lawsuits.
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday November 19 2021, @06:45PM
Guess we need something like a "Section 230" for banks to shield them from their customers actions. Or just use whatever protects the the phone companies from the same thing. But we can't let any critical service sector pick their customers. We have a right to use the banks, at least until the post office or some other public institution provides banking services again.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..