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posted by janrinok on Thursday November 25 2021, @07:08AM   Printer-friendly
from the CoCs dept.

https://github.com/rust-lang/team/pull/671

The entire moderation team resigns, effective immediately. This resignation is done in protest of the Core Team placing themselves unaccountable to anyone but themselves.

As a result of such structural unaccountability, we have been unable to enforce the Rust Code of Conduct to the standards the community expects of us and to the standards we hold ourselves to. To leave under these circumstances deeply pains us, and we apologize to all of those that we have let down. In recognition that we are out of options from the perspective of Rust Governance, we feel as though we have no course remaining to us but to step down and make this statement.

In so doing, we would offer a few suggestions to the community writ large:

  • We suggest that Rust Team Members come to a consensus on a process for oversight over the Core Team. Currently, they are answerable only to themselves, which is a property unique to them in contrast to all other Rust teams.

  • In the interest of not perpetuating unaccountability, we recommend that the replacement for the Mod Team be made by Rust Team Members not on the Core Team.
  • We suggest that the future Mod Team, with advice from Rust Team Members, proactively decide how best to handle and discover unhealthy conflict among Rust Team Members. We suggest that the Mod Team work with the Foundation in obtaining resources for professional mediation.

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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by Subsentient on Thursday November 25 2021, @07:32AM (50 children)

    by Subsentient (1111) on Thursday November 25 2021, @07:32AM (#1199466) Homepage Journal

    Here's the fucking context [archive.org].

    I really don't savor being the one to post this because of the unavoidable shitshow that will result from this. I'm tired of the shit. Whatever, have your holy wars. I'll grab the popcorn.

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  • (Score: 2) by Subsentient on Thursday November 25 2021, @07:42AM

    by Subsentient (1111) on Thursday November 25 2021, @07:42AM (#1199470) Homepage Journal

    I should mention that the core Rust dev in question also contributes to node.js, which while being a horrific crime in itself, explains why the drama bled over into the Rust community.

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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 25 2021, @07:47AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 25 2021, @07:47AM (#1199473)

    Guess I'm ignint. Is rust inextricably linked with node.js? What that whining about node.js got to do with this rust drama?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 29 2021, @01:32AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 29 2021, @01:32AM (#1200365)

      1. The node.js complaint was from 2017.

      2. The rust foundation was formed February 8, 2021.

      The foundation was formed after Mozilla laid off the rust and servo devs. So it was basically sink or swim time. Given that it doesn't look like anyone is using it for real projects (too much change between major releases over the last 11 years is a big complaint), it's really no surprise that the lack of stability in the foundation mimics the lack of stability on the development side.

      At this point, given the history, you'd be buts to commit to using it on anything but hobby projects. Or wasting time learning (and re-learning) it. The current kerflufle is just a symptom of an aimless project with poor leadership and a weak development team. Drama was always in the cards.

      Certainly don't bet your paycheque or your business on it.

  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by edinlinux on Thursday November 25 2021, @08:14AM (24 children)

    by edinlinux (4637) on Thursday November 25 2021, @08:14AM (#1199483)

    I had a look at the context link above...

    Exactly as I expected.. an SJW professional-victim shitshow..

    good riddance, they are not needed, and only added negative value

    now the developers can get back to focusing on writing good code again without all this nonsense..

    all the other opensource projects that are also infected with SJW 'minders' should also do the same and clean house.. everyone is sick of this..

    • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 25 2021, @09:21AM (10 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 25 2021, @09:21AM (#1199495)

      Yep. Like with work, leave your politics at the door. Unless it's physically dangerous or illegal, this stuff has no place in the workplace. Correspondingly, because "with computers" is not an excuse for the workplace (Rust project) to drag the workers' personal lives (on Twitter) into the workplace, and then get hopping mad about it.

      That's just looking for a way to be offended and pretend a moral high ground, when in fsct one is digging a moral pit.

      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 25 2021, @06:31PM (9 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 25 2021, @06:31PM (#1199601)

        It is precisely because assholes refuse to leave their politics at the door that minority groups have a need for advocates in the community.

        Women coders, for one example, just want to code, no politics involved. But without a CoC, men fucking PILE on them for no reason other than "it's a girl and she's in our space". It doesn't have to be even a fraction of the men, because most men remain silent when they see it happen. That's the politics of men, and it makes a difference, so shut the fuck up & let the adults in the room speak.

        • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 25 2021, @10:36PM (7 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 25 2021, @10:36PM (#1199660)

          Women coders, for one example, just want to code, no politics involved. But without a CoC, men fucking PILE on them for no reason other than "it's a girl and she's in our space". It doesn't have to be even a fraction of the men, because most men remain silent when they see it happen. That's the politics of men, and it makes a difference, so shut the fuck up & let the adults in the room speak.

          I've yet to witness a man doing this. According to your theories I should be a target for that nonsense as a female programmer. Why doesn't it happen to me?

          Yet wombkins have done just what you describe to me. It's never men, it's always wombyns. Never trans men, never cis men, never trans women, just always the eternally victimized wymyons.

          You're completely full of shit and you know it.

          • (Score: 4, Interesting) by pTamok on Friday November 26 2021, @12:20PM (4 children)

            by pTamok (3042) on Friday November 26 2021, @12:20PM (#1199764)

            Your experience is very different to many other women's experience, which leads me to ask the question: why?

            I am absolutely sure that women in general experience both kinds of the behaviours described, and I would not be surprised if the differences were due to a difference in both the male environment and the attitudes and behaviour of the women experiencing the behaviour.

            I've certainly met and worked with women who had no apparent problem working in a very male dominated environment. They were not 'one of the boys', but misogynistic behaviours just 'bounced off' them. I have no idea if they secretly went and wept in the toilets, but I suspect not. The main attribute I would say applied is that they were mentally tough, scarily so, sometimes.

            Telling people just to 'toughen up' doesn't go down well, but there certainly seems to be personality differences that contribute to the differences in lived experience, and it is a pity the necessary skills are not easily transferable. This is not to say that victims of misogynistic behaviour should 'simply' be tougher (i.e. victim blaming) - frankly men (in general) ought to be better behaved. Behaving equitably with and politely to people (no matter their gender) really should be undisputable.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 26 2021, @05:11PM (3 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 26 2021, @05:11PM (#1199795)

              Your first instinct is to blame the victim, even when she is a woman herself. It must get you plenty of sex. You just simply cannot believe that your cute and cuddly hunnies are real people who are capable of some nasty shit -or- it is against your patriarchal interests to admit that women can be nasty sexists too.

              why?

              These things happened in a female-dominated environment. Many feminists also believe I'm a dude because I don't have a menstrual cycle, making me a target in female dominated environments.

              One time a group of local feminists went so far as to put a block on my bank account preventing me from paying my pharmacy, because they believed that somehow my prescriptions were depriving women of healthcare.

              I could talk about the time I was molested by a woman. I could go on and on. Why the fuck would I know why?! Maybe you'll suggest that the way I was dressed I was just asking for it!

              • (Score: 1) by pTamok on Saturday November 27 2021, @10:48AM

                by pTamok (3042) on Saturday November 27 2021, @10:48AM (#1199936)

                I was trying to answer your question:

                I've yet to witness a man doing this. According to your theories I should be a target for that nonsense as a female programmer. Why doesn't it happen to me?

                As for women being capable of being badly behaved towards other women, and men, yes, my own experience accords with yours, they can be, and are. Group dynamics in social species are complicated. Memberships of in-groups and out-groups and dominance hierarchies can be very fluid. Being at the bottom of a dominance hierarchy or in a minority out-group can be very unpleasant. Women can be sociopathic too.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 28 2021, @01:29AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 28 2021, @01:29AM (#1200118)
                How does a group of feminists "put a block on your bank account?" How did they even get your banking details? I'm not buying it. Especially since many women are intentionally skipping their periods.

                Or any of the rest of it, for that matter.

                I work in a very female-dominated environment. Very few men. most of the time bo men around, we're feminists out of both necessity and inclination, but we don't pull the shit you describe. We 100% support trans women as women, not as a threat. So we don't give a shit about a lack of a period for any reason.

                That being said, there are plenty of teans women who are lazy shits, acting worse than drag queens. We had one, gave her the easiest job to do on her first day, and all we heard was complaints. "That's not a job for a woman." Even though all the women were doing much harder work, including heavy physical labour when required. Nobody likes a flamer or drama queen. So, she quit within hours.

                People at work respect you for the work you do, not your appearance. You want to be treated as equal, act like you're equal. Produce like you're equal. Don't expect to be treated as someone "special" who deserves special handling.

                And don't use being trans as an excuse for failure or unpopularity.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 28 2021, @07:52PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 28 2021, @07:52PM (#1200294)

                Still calling bullshit on the whole "feminists put a block on my bank account " story.

                Also, who the fuck (except a drama queen) gives a shit about what some TERFs think?

                Seriously, how does someone who doesn't have your banking info put a block on your bank account? That would be handy to know. And a big security hole.

                of course, anyone doing so would leave a trail, so why weren't they charged with, at the least, impersonation, for pretending to be you and claiming you needed a new bank card because the other one was stolen, so cancel it? Still needs your phone number and account details (account number, address, address of issuing bank). And you could just walk into your bank with ID and get a new card coded on the spot.

                More likely , you just screwed up your account (bad password, too many attempts to log in, etc). Because again, why would a bunxh of TERFs have your banking info?

                Or you did something stupid like lend your card to someone else?

                Or you just looked suspicious when making a purchase, so the merchant reported their concerns and the bank put a hold on your account because you don't look like a woman?

                So, trying to paint feminists as dipshits via a bs story about TERFs really makes me wonder what tour true motives are? And what do TERFs have to do with the article, which was about 3 people resigning from administrating a code of conduct from a little used language (heck, perl5 is far more widespread)?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 29 2021, @02:28AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 29 2021, @02:28AM (#1200375)

            Ok, that's your anecdotal experience. I'm a man and I've experience the complete opposite as I see it all the time - most often the perpetrators aren't even conscious of it.

            Also, its not just against woman, also against folks of color.

            Sure, there are folks on the other side that is also exploiting this but they aren't mutually exclusive - it DOES NOT negate the fact that the other happens.

        • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 26 2021, @06:52PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 26 2021, @06:52PM (#1199811)

          "minority groups have a need for advocates in the community."

          shove your "minority groups" up your ass, bolshevik rats' bitch!

    • (Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 25 2021, @05:42PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 25 2021, @05:42PM (#1199585)

      Cultural Marxists, Bolshevik Jews and their useful idiot race traitors.

      • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 25 2021, @05:57PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 25 2021, @05:57PM (#1199594)

        Uh oh who let Tucker have a pooter? You know he traffics kids as sex slaves to Mara Lago right?

        • (Score: 5, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 25 2021, @09:53PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 25 2021, @09:53PM (#1199646)

          No silly, that's Matt Gaetz.

    • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 26 2021, @12:32AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 26 2021, @12:32AM (#1199684)

      good riddance

      Not applicable. Professional "kill all men" SJW Ashley Williams is still part of the Core team.

      developers can get back to focusing on writing good code

      Can you find any remotely meaningful contributions by Ashley? I don't think there are any.

    • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Friday November 26 2021, @06:58AM (2 children)

      by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Friday November 26 2021, @06:58AM (#1199729) Homepage
      The context seems to show toxic hypocritical behaviour from a leftie member of the core team. Not from the team that resigned.

      So I think your interpretation looks like it's diametrically opposite to the truth, and therefore your ire is completely ill-placed.
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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 26 2021, @05:32PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 26 2021, @05:32PM (#1199801)

        There is nothing left-wing or progressive about misandry.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 28 2021, @04:41AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 28 2021, @04:41AM (#1200159)
        The moderation team was just 3 people. So not exactly a big loss. But here's the thing - why do you even need a moderation team? It's only 3 people, so it's not like they were doing much anyway. Seems better to let the developers thrash it out amongst themselves. Not happy? Vote with your feet. That's what people do all the time in the real world.

        OpenOffice/libreoffice and mysql/mariadb spring to mind.

        And if you want to go back in time, there's IBM/Ahmdel. And upteen number of linux distros.

        The annual budget is $300,000, so we're talking a VERY small team of paid developers - 2 or 3 (because there's also overhead). Jetbrains, paying $100k, seems pretty much in a position to call the shots. So who needs a moderation team? To keep the volunteer devs in line? Seriously? The criteria for code should be quality. If the contributor is a notorious white supremist or "all gays must die" freak, and is giving everyone a black eye and discouraging others from associating with the project, it should be easy enough to dump them because nobody is irreplaceable. Same as if you find someone plagiarizing code. Dump them and drop their contributions on the cutting-room floor.

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by edIII on Friday November 26 2021, @07:50PM (5 children)

      by edIII (791) on Friday November 26 2021, @07:50PM (#1199822)

      There is nothing wrong with striving for social justice. Even to the point of being a warrior for it. That's actually a great thing, since there is a huge lack of justice in this world. It's not so black and white you know. You can't just group everybody into that one box, because there is a difference between virtue signalling, extreme leftist bullshit (that every reasonable person recoils at), and people fighting for justice for all. As much as certain aspects attributed to SJW may be undesirable, so is bullshit from right-wing fascists, toxic male assholes, .etc. The devil is in the details, bullshit is a spectrum, and most people are on the spectrum.

      I have a real simple idea for a code of conduct that should be applied to any large group of people working towards a common goal. One that completely removes the negative behavior of SJW, Right-wing, Toxic Male Bro Culture, etc. Whatever box and label you want to put a group of people in.

      1. If it doesn't have anything to directly do with the project, it's technology, it's applications, it's code bases, it's performance, then SHUT THE FUCK UP AND YOUR COMMENTS WILL BE STRUCK FROM THE RECORD.
      2. The only conduct that matters is conduct that happens within the project itself. Outside platforms, such as social media, or real life spaces like bars, coffee shops, DO NOT FUCKING MATTER.

      Examples of application:

      1. Person A said something on Twitter about Person B and Person C got some feels. Person C is complaining within the project. Result: Person C shut the fuck up! Next!
      2. Person A used ad hominem attacks on Group X in the project revision notes regarding the perceived performance of code proposal ABC123 from Group X. Result: Delete the comments of Person A and ask them to submit their objections using logic and reason, because nobody gives a fuck and/or is impressed with their childish bullshit. Either make constructive criticism, or nothing at all.

      In other words, keep it professional and don't be assholes. I honestly don't see why it's this hard, but there seems to be an awful lot of people that have the maturity of elementary school playgrounds. Why is it that the linked context sounds like fucking high school all over to me? I thought once you graduated you could escape that bullshit.

      Does NASA have these problems? Am I naive to expect technical people on a project to just act like adults? What the fuck is wrong with people? That goes for the "SJWs" as much as it goes for the "Bros", or any other groups.

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      • (Score: 2) by Joe Desertrat on Saturday November 27 2021, @02:57AM

        by Joe Desertrat (2454) on Saturday November 27 2021, @02:57AM (#1199888)

        In other words, keep it professional and don't be assholes. I honestly don't see why it's this hard, but there seems to be an awful lot of people that have the maturity of elementary school playgrounds.

        Unfortunately, that seems to date back to Cro-magnon days, and probably before that. Just because humanity has invented a lot of shiny toys over the millennia doesn't mean they are now far removed from bashing each other over the head (literally or figuratively) over the slightest provocation.

      • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Saturday November 27 2021, @08:44PM (3 children)

        by Thexalon (636) on Saturday November 27 2021, @08:44PM (#1200050)

        In other words, keep it professional and don't be assholes. ... Am I naive to expect technical people on a project to just act like adults?

        That sounds great, until you ask: Who gets to decide what counts as "professional" or "asshole"? Who gets to decide what "just act like adults" means?

        And that matters a lot. Some examples:
        - For basically the entirety of the 1950's and early 1960's, it was considered perfectly normal behavior for male bosses to make sexually suggestive comments directed at female subordinates. Depending on the industry, that was still quite common as recently as the 1980's or even 1990's. There are people walking around right now who think it's perfectly "professional" for a dude to say "nice rack" to a woman at work.
        - This has definitely happened more than a few times: Person A submits a patch. Person B says "Patch rejected, because it causes these bugs: ..." Person A starts saying "Whaaaa! Person B was super-mean and unprofessional asshole to me! Why can't they be nice and just accept my code?"
        - Somebody watches porn on shared computers. They don't leave a physical mess, but the admin catches them because there was stuff left on the hard drives. "Hey, we're all adults here, just be mature and delete it!" says the person who just got caught.

        When the wrong people are in charge of enforcing seemingly simple rules, you can bet that those seemingly simple rules will be twisted to allow for their own bad behavior.

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        The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
        • (Score: 2) by edIII on Saturday November 27 2021, @09:29PM (2 children)

          by edIII (791) on Saturday November 27 2021, @09:29PM (#1200059)

          All of that is handled under my CoC. I guess professionalism and being an asshole can be vague, but I'm defining professionalism apparently as being near Vulcan-like in behavior.

          For basically the entirety of the 1950's and early 1960's, it was considered perfectly normal behavior for male bosses to make sexually suggestive comments directed at female subordinates. Depending on the industry, that was still quite common as recently as the 1980's or even 1990's. There are people walking around right now who think it's perfectly "professional" for a dude to say "nice rack" to a woman at work.

          Does the fact that a contributor to the project has attractive and/or impressively sized genitalia or secondary sex characteristics have anything to do with project itself? No. So those comments and behavior are censured. Leave such things outside of the project. Period. Nobody cares about your cocks, sweater puppies, or camel toes.

          This has definitely happened more than a few times: Person A submits a patch. Person B says "Patch rejected, because it causes these bugs: ..." Person A starts saying "Whaaaa! Person B was super-mean and unprofessional asshole to me! Why can't they be nice and just accept my code?"

          Evaluate separately.

          Did Person B use anything but constructive criticism, logic, and reason when rejecting the patch? If so, reject contribution. If not, accept contribution.

          Did Person A react illogically and emotionally to a rejected patch that was accompanied by constructive criticism, logic, reason, and examples of why it won't work? If so, then eliminate the noise from the project by erasing the comments and censuring Person A. If not, then let Person B be handled by the CoC.

          Somebody watches porn on shared computers. They don't leave a physical mess, but the admin catches them because there was stuff left on the hard drives. "Hey, we're all adults here, just be mature and delete it!" says the person who just got caught.

          Maturity Irrelevant. Project resources used for personal purposes while also increasing attack surface to outside threat vectors. Heavily censure person who got caught, and possibly remove from project. Remove files left on hard drive to secure air-gapped tablet for rigorous and thorough analysis.

          What else do you have? :)

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          Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
          • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Saturday November 27 2021, @10:20PM (1 child)

            by Thexalon (636) on Saturday November 27 2021, @10:20PM (#1200074)

            And that's all well and good when you, a responsible and fair-minded person, are the adjudicator.

            It doesn't work at all when the adjudicator actually agrees with any of those stances. Which happens sometimes - as in, I've seen it happen.

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            The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
            • (Score: 2) by edIII on Saturday November 27 2021, @10:40PM

              by edIII (791) on Saturday November 27 2021, @10:40PM (#1200081)

              In other words, like I said, it's an elementary school playground. Just without any adults.

              Yeah, that's very sad. Especially when the people in charge that should be moderating the whole thing are part of the problem.

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              Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
  • (Score: 4, Flamebait) by Snotnose on Thursday November 25 2021, @08:31AM

    by Snotnose (1623) on Thursday November 25 2021, @08:31AM (#1199489)

    Here's the fucking context [archive.org].

    My god, that's something I'd expect to see on The Onion, not anywhere that's supposed to be taken seriously.

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    Why shouldn't we judge a book by it's cover? It's got the author, title, and a summary of what the book's about.
  • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Thursday November 25 2021, @09:33AM (2 children)

    by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Thursday November 25 2021, @09:33AM (#1199496) Homepage
    That context explains nothing. It shows that some SJWs have pissed off some normies on a different project by, shock horror, being toxic hypocrites.

    What, and by whom, is the "unaccountable" behaviour that's the actual context for this resignation?

    If this Ashley shrieker is in the core team of rust, then the mod team are probably in the right, and the core team are a problem.
    If she's not, and she's not in the mod team either, then what the fuck is it to do with anything?!?
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    Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
    • (Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 25 2021, @12:20PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 25 2021, @12:20PM (#1199512)

      If this Ashley shrieker is in the core team of rust

      Seems to be. (Unverified) Quote: "Despite all of this, she was still hired onto the Rust Core team, because she is in a romantic relationship with Steve Klabnik (nepotism). Interestingly, Steve Klabnik is also the same person who is smearing Amazon because Amazon denied a job to Ashley."

      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28633113 [ycombinator.com]

      With such an organization, Rust is dead, FWIW

      • (Score: 5, Interesting) by FatPhil on Thursday November 25 2021, @10:19PM

        by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Thursday November 25 2021, @10:19PM (#1199656) Homepage
        Thanks for the explanation. That does make the core team look tainted. I don't know how big it is, but a teaspoon of shit can spoil a whole barrel of cognac.

        So all the comments above about "now the coders, who we all respect, just want to code, which is what we respect them for, can get on with coding - respect!" are -1 Wrong?
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        Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by esperto123 on Thursday November 25 2021, @11:10AM (6 children)

    by esperto123 (4303) on Thursday November 25 2021, @11:10AM (#1199499)

    That's interesting, thank you for the link.
    The summary didn't say much about what was the CoC violation and I assumed it was a similar situation to Stallman where the CoC team was just looking into pushing out some old fart that didn't follow 100% the party line (and that they though was a pedophile, or at least pedo-friendly, for basically say that people shouldn't jump to conclusions), but looking into the link you sent it is actually a woman being extremely misandrist and racist to white people. At least the CoC team seams consistent, if you gonna apply the rules it should be valid if you talk shit about A and B, not only to A or B.

    I particularly think that professional contributions should not mix with personal statements, if what she said was part of rust development discussions or part of the code/comments the CoC should be applied, but if those are on personal account, not linked directly to the project in anyway, it shouldn't affect. Assholes are part of life unfortunately, but unless they make it difficult to contribute to the project (i.e., being aggressive/disrespectful in code change reviews), and actually contribute to the project getting forward, they should be let to stay.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by srobert on Thursday November 25 2021, @03:42PM (3 children)

      by srobert (4803) on Thursday November 25 2021, @03:42PM (#1199563)

      "Assholes are part of life unfortunately..."

      That's why I think the only useful COC to attach to a project is a one-liner.

      COC: "Don't be an asshole." EOF

      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 25 2021, @07:04PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 25 2021, @07:04PM (#1199609)

        Won't work. Who decides who's an asshole? That's right - other assholes.

        • (Score: 3, Funny) by Joe Desertrat on Saturday November 27 2021, @03:00AM

          by Joe Desertrat (2454) on Saturday November 27 2021, @03:00AM (#1199889)

          Who decides who's an asshole? That's right - other assholes.

          I knew it! I'm surrounded by assholes!

      • (Score: 1) by charon on Friday November 26 2021, @03:34AM

        by charon (5660) on Friday November 26 2021, @03:34AM (#1199708) Journal
        The web game Kingdom of Loathing has a ToS of exactly this. There is a staff member who makes decisions in case of disputes, but the devs suggest everyone think about this rule as follows: If you have ask yourself if what you're about to do would make you an asshole, it probably would, so don't do the thing. Unfortunately this requires reflection and self-criticism, capacities that many people do not possess.
    • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 26 2021, @06:28AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 26 2021, @06:28AM (#1199724)

      Basically a man hating whamen was asked to be held responsible for stuff men are being fired for left and right without right to due process. Nothing happened. Conservatives rejoice because social justice is being ridiculed. Democrats rejoice because whamen was put on a pedestal.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 27 2021, @08:09AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 27 2021, @08:09AM (#1199925)

        Truth hurts to moderators

  • (Score: 4, Informative) by darkfeline on Thursday November 25 2021, @11:45AM (7 children)

    by darkfeline (1030) on Thursday November 25 2021, @11:45AM (#1199501) Homepage

    So the moderation team quit because this complaint was ignored?

    Well, now I have mixed feelings about this. I don't agree with language policing, but the many quotes of that dev look bad even with a very gracious filter. If the dev writes good code, I would still merge such code, but I might request that they be muted from any official forums, assuming they act similarly in such forums. This isn't so much a CoC as a "don't be an asshole" policy.

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    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 25 2021, @12:04PM (6 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 25 2021, @12:04PM (#1199505)
      Those forums aren't even their own. They want to kick her out because of some things she said on Twitter in a personal capacity, about an entirely different project.
      • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 25 2021, @01:14PM (5 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 25 2021, @01:14PM (#1199523)

        So? SJW's have been purging people for years (eg: Brendan Eich) over beliefs unrelated to work and despite objections from cooler heads. Don't make your bed like that if you don't want to lie in it!

        • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 25 2021, @03:05PM (4 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 25 2021, @03:05PM (#1199547)

          Not just SJWs, assholes have been known to purge entire races from society even using them as slaves. Corporations have been known to accumulate and give free rein to psychopaths. Poor, poor assholes and psychopaths :(

          • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 25 2021, @05:46PM (3 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 25 2021, @05:46PM (#1199588)

            We don't owe anyone access to our societies, you dumb fucking bitch.

            • (Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 25 2021, @05:53PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 25 2021, @05:53PM (#1199591)

              Oh no a Nazi Youth got triggered. Po widdle nazi boi.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 25 2021, @09:55PM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 25 2021, @09:55PM (#1199648)

              Cluebat: it ain't *your* society. And quit "saving" it for us. Dipshit.

              • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 26 2021, @06:57PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 26 2021, @06:57PM (#1199812)

                Whites built the whole modern world. If it's not our society why do non-whites follow whites around like stray dogs begging for crumbs? Stay home and build your precious Wakandas, you exalted NOCs (Niggers of Color).

  • (Score: 2) by loonycyborg on Thursday November 25 2021, @03:34PM

    by loonycyborg (6905) on Thursday November 25 2021, @03:34PM (#1199556)

    Their whole idea of moderation is out-of-the-line. Censuring people for bullshit they say on twitter should only apply to twitter.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 25 2021, @05:10PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 25 2021, @05:10PM (#1199578)

    That was from 2017 and is about nodejs.

    • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Friday November 26 2021, @07:02AM

      by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Friday November 26 2021, @07:02AM (#1199730) Homepage
      How is "history" not "context"? Sure, its relevance could have been framed better, but eventually the pearls were dug out with a bit of probing.
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