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The entire moderation team resigns, effective immediately. This resignation is done in protest of the Core Team placing themselves unaccountable to anyone but themselves.
As a result of such structural unaccountability, we have been unable to enforce the Rust Code of Conduct to the standards the community expects of us and to the standards we hold ourselves to. To leave under these circumstances deeply pains us, and we apologize to all of those that we have let down. In recognition that we are out of options from the perspective of Rust Governance, we feel as though we have no course remaining to us but to step down and make this statement.
In so doing, we would offer a few suggestions to the community writ large:
We suggest that Rust Team Members come to a consensus on a process for oversight over the Core Team. Currently, they are answerable only to themselves, which is a property unique to them in contrast to all other Rust teams.
- In the interest of not perpetuating unaccountability, we recommend that the replacement for the Mod Team be made by Rust Team Members not on the Core Team.
- We suggest that the future Mod Team, with advice from Rust Team Members, proactively decide how best to handle and discover unhealthy conflict among Rust Team Members. We suggest that the Mod Team work with the Foundation in obtaining resources for professional mediation.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by janrinok on Thursday November 25 2021, @10:01AM (24 children)
And what is your justification for dragging AzumaHazuki into this discussion?
Leave YOUR politics off this site please or, if you must, put them in your journal. Naming specific members of our community is certainly off-topic for this discussion.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 25 2021, @11:35AM (9 children)
Whatever motivated you to accept this fluff as a story?
Both the pull request and the reddit discussion are completely devoid of context other than hearsay claims of 'misandry'.
Was your motivation to poke fun at the 'woke' community or the Rust community - we already had one daft submission about how real men program in C this week.
either way, our resident unreformed boomer couldn't resist.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 25 2021, @12:22PM (4 children)
We've discussed the CoC situation and toxicity of SJW's extensively on this site. Beyond ignoring them, a correct and appropriate response to this Ashley Williams person would simply be to mock them but that would in itself be a CoC violation. As one user on the reddit thread linked by Subsentient explained:
Pathetic as they are, I don't have a problem with any of the supposedly offensive tweets, occurring as they did on a personal account. My position has always been that people are entitled to their personal views and gender, sexuality and race are irrelevant to technical collaboration. I also, however, fully reserve the right to call people on their bullshit as any self-respecting adult should. That is, no self-respecting adult would ever submit to rules privileging the childish and mentally ill over themselves.
If you don't see the relevance pertaining to a project like Rust, you don't know why myself (and others) avoid that language and it's community like the plague. But don't let that stop you invoking "boomer" slurs as ageist discrimination and further, flagrant demonstration of woke ("Rules for thee but not for me") hypocrisy!
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 25 2021, @03:11PM (3 children)
> That is, no self-respecting adult would ever submit to rules privileging the childish and mentally ill over themselves.
BZZZZT oh so close, only 100% wrong. Brah.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 25 2021, @03:38PM (2 children)
The world is not your safe space and I am not a child. Once you realize narcissism is an infantilizing personality disorder... [psychologytoday.com]
To clarify, if you don't want to be treated like a child you also have to stop acting like one and take responsibility for yourself. You can be getting on with that, right after you clean your room bucko!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 25 2021, @09:42PM (1 child)
Ah yes, the irony of republicunts whining about safe spaces. Happy Holidays you whiny bitch ;^)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 25 2021, @10:00PM
Damn libs shrunk the turkeys and made them more expensive. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaah! I don't like them.
(Score: 5, Touché) by janrinok on Thursday November 25 2021, @12:35PM (2 children)
1. It was submitted by a member of our community, and it accurately portrays the state of affairs regarding CoC and their (ab)use. It is worthy of discussion, but I cannot be held responsible for every comment made any more that you can held responsible for the comments made in response to your contributions.
2. I haven't poked fun at anybody. My only comment was directed at someone who wished to introduce their own political views against another member of our community. That was both unnessary and off topic.
3. I can do nothing to change when I was born and I don't recall being consulted about it, but I haven't found a reason for me to 'reform' who I am. Perhaps I am contravening your own personal CoC? Tough!
(Score: 3, Insightful) by PiMuNu on Thursday November 25 2021, @01:51PM
I for one appreciate the submission. Always interesting to see what is going on in the coding bollitics.
Having said that, I think comments on the (in)appropriate uses of spoons are probably the most appropriate response to half the threads.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 26 2021, @03:51PM
I appreciate this submission.It is nice to read about crap like this before experiencing it.
On another news site a story was linked about how a company was torn apart by SJW. It is things lime this and the insights learned by others that can be so valuable to know when it happens to you.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 27 2021, @01:01AM
Huh? Do you mean C is the Greenest Programming Language [soylentnews.org] (links to Energy Efficiency across Programming Languages [uminho.pt])?
(Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 25 2021, @12:41PM
I had a dream that SN is the core team and Janrinok left in a huff. You would not be missed.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 25 2021, @01:48PM
Naming specific people on this site, ON THIS SITE, is on topic. It's not like he's naming them elsewhere (which is part of why the rust moderation team has their panties in a twist - who goves a shit about posts on twitter Upset about it - fight on twitter, where it's in context. Or put on your big boy pants and ignore it instead of dragging drama into development processes). Time for CoC to die. Again, when someone does stupid shit address it directly, not through CoC-language-policing.
Back in the real world (you know, work) we don't have a written code of conduct except for how we expect our customers to behave (because some of them are assholes). It's understood we will treat them properly because we're adults, whether they act like it or not. Same as we don't have a code of conduct for how we treat each other. Because we're adults. And we have each other's backs.
If you need a CoC to regulate conduct on a team, you don't have a team. And a CoC cannot fix that. And the CoC police will always be held in contempt by the people doing the real work, same as HR is a tool of management to control workers.
There's nothing wrong with being an SJW or woke - but address problems by naming them, without invoking the legalistic bullshit of a CoC.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Thursday November 25 2021, @03:34PM (2 children)
The manhater part, of course. I made that obvious in my post. Have I violated a CoC that we didn't know about?
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 25 2021, @11:43PM (1 child)
Uh, how do you figure that user is a man hater?
(Score: 3, Informative) by acid andy on Friday November 26 2021, @01:54AM
She calls out toxic males. Runaway seems to think all males are meant to be toxic. Go figure.
If a cat has kittens, does a rat have rittens, a bat bittens and a mat mittens?
(Score: 2, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Thursday November 25 2021, @03:39PM (8 children)
Also, the article and everything surrounding it is inherently political. Put up a political story, expect political comments, right?
(Score: 2, Informative) by janrinok on Thursday November 25 2021, @06:30PM (7 children)
"It is inherently political"? - which party introduced it? Who supported it? Who passed it into law? Oh', that's right - neither side has. It isn't, in my view, the least bit political - unless you want to try blaming the 'other side' for it being a story at all. This has nothing to do with your government, your representatives or how you voted. So please leave your politics out of this.
It is a story about software production - and in particular one specific language. It is related to CoCs and SJWs, but there is nothing there that means that you have to introduce national politics at all. SJWs don't belong to any particular party. Perhaps you understand now why the rest of the world is standing back and watching with a mixture of shock and amusement at the bizarre polarisation that we are witnessing in the US that is affecting everything you do.
If it falls within the political nexus then it is fair game - otherwise please discuss the topic itself.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Thursday November 25 2021, @07:09PM (4 children)
The concept of CoC is political. It is advanced by SJWs of various sorts, and approved of by activist groups that are affiliated with the cultural revolution. CoC is a perfect tool of lib/dem/progressive activists. You can't discuss CoC without introducing identity politics. I think you are terribly mistaken if you believe otherwise.
If you're trying to say that it's not just American politics, well, of course you are right. It isn't specific to any nation, any party, any ethnicity, or whatever else we might imagine. It probably can't be seen as 'global' yet, but it pervades the western world.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by janrinok on Thursday November 25 2021, @07:40PM (3 children)
It isn't any specific group of people as you are suggesting. Revolution is only another word for change. A revolution in transport or medical care or scientific endeavour is not something to be held back out of fear. Those who fought for emancipation were ridiculed and punished before they were finally successful. Now you would call them SJW. It's funny how 'enlightened' we think we are today. Women do have a hard time entering professions that are predominantly male dominated. It isn't just a matter of skills or ability. But look at some of those that have been successful Grace Hopper, Katherine Johnson, Margaret Hamilton, Marie Curie. Women were not allowed to be doctors until long after men. Where there is sexual discrimination, or any kind of discrimination, there is a waste of human potential.
On the other hand, those who do their cause no good whatsoever, by abusing a CoC to get an unfair advantage or to unfairly victimise somebody should be called out for their acts.
I am not suggesting how you should decide who is right or wrong in the topic under discussion but one thing I am certain about - it is not politics unless you are trying to push your own political viewpoint. "You can't discuss CoC without introducing identity politics" and "CoC is a perfect tool of lib/dem/progressive activists" are, in my opinion, just how you want to view it and they are based on your own political views.
Our judgement should be based on merit and merit alone. As others have said here in this discussion, leave your politics outside of the workplace and, for that matter, out of discussions that do not warrant them.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Thursday November 25 2021, @08:09PM (2 children)
Sorry, but you're wrong. There has never been a CoC written that wasn't politically motivated. Identity politics is the underlying reason for everything related to a CoC.
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 25 2021, @09:44PM
Hey runaway, still a whingey boomer? Cool stuff, go donate to some scammers or something.
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 25 2021, @10:08PM
Sorry bud - would reply but I gotta get started on the War against Christmas and pushing mind control vaccines. Us Dems are real crafty at hiding our political agenda.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 26 2021, @12:20AM
You have a very myopic view of politics if you think that it must always involve either a "party" or a "law".
...and you are beyond redemption as long as you keep believing there's ever only two sides to a political issue.
They didn't. You did, by insisting that politics is always inflicted by a (political) party.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 26 2021, @07:08AM
FWIW back when NASA and its predecessors were accomplishing new stuff[1] the US Gov was fine with having literal Nazis working for them (SJW stuff be damned): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip [wikipedia.org]
See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun#Nazi_Party_membership [wikipedia.org]
[1] Rather than doing "re-runs" with newer tech and better graphics.