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https://github.com/rust-lang/team/pull/671
The entire moderation team resigns, effective immediately. This resignation is done in protest of the Core Team placing themselves unaccountable to anyone but themselves.
As a result of such structural unaccountability, we have been unable to enforce the Rust Code of Conduct to the standards the community expects of us and to the standards we hold ourselves to. To leave under these circumstances deeply pains us, and we apologize to all of those that we have let down. In recognition that we are out of options from the perspective of Rust Governance, we feel as though we have no course remaining to us but to step down and make this statement.
In so doing, we would offer a few suggestions to the community writ large:
We suggest that Rust Team Members come to a consensus on a process for oversight over the Core Team. Currently, they are answerable only to themselves, which is a property unique to them in contrast to all other Rust teams.
- In the interest of not perpetuating unaccountability, we recommend that the replacement for the Mod Team be made by Rust Team Members not on the Core Team.
- We suggest that the future Mod Team, with advice from Rust Team Members, proactively decide how best to handle and discover unhealthy conflict among Rust Team Members. We suggest that the Mod Team work with the Foundation in obtaining resources for professional mediation.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 25 2021, @10:36PM (7 children)
I've yet to witness a man doing this. According to your theories I should be a target for that nonsense as a female programmer. Why doesn't it happen to me?
Yet wombkins have done just what you describe to me. It's never men, it's always wombyns. Never trans men, never cis men, never trans women, just always the eternally victimized wymyons.
You're completely full of shit and you know it.
(Score: 3, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 26 2021, @12:15AM
https://www.vox.com/2018/1/9/16870120/women-discrimination-pew-research-computer-job-workplace-harassment-stem [vox.com]
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/02/19/women-built-tech-industry-then-they-were-pushed-out/ [washingtonpost.com]
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/feb/12/women-considered-better-coders-hide-gender-github [theguardian.com]
https://jaxenter.com/women-in-tech-report-161304.html [jaxenter.com]
http://stateofstartups.firstround.com/2017/#experience-with-sexual-harassment [firstround.com]
https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/sexism-in-tech/ [dailydot.com]
https://code.likeagirl.io/techs-dirty-not-so-little-secret-86c154ca5b23 [likeagirl.io]
https://medium.com/usaid-2030/girl-coders-fight-sexual-harassment-f9b20eebba4d [medium.com]
https://www.businessinsider.com/women-running-for-the-open-source-initiative-face-online-harassment-2019-3 [businessinsider.com]
https://psmag.com/social-justice/women-arent-welcome-internet-72170 [psmag.com]
https://opensourcesurvey.org/2017/ [opensourcesurvey.org]
https://www.networkworld.com/article/2227920/is-there-a-sexual-harassment-problem-in-the-open-source-community-.html [networkworld.com]
https://lwn.net/Articles/417952/ [lwn.net]
(Score: 4, Interesting) by pTamok on Friday November 26 2021, @12:20PM (4 children)
Your experience is very different to many other women's experience, which leads me to ask the question: why?
I am absolutely sure that women in general experience both kinds of the behaviours described, and I would not be surprised if the differences were due to a difference in both the male environment and the attitudes and behaviour of the women experiencing the behaviour.
I've certainly met and worked with women who had no apparent problem working in a very male dominated environment. They were not 'one of the boys', but misogynistic behaviours just 'bounced off' them. I have no idea if they secretly went and wept in the toilets, but I suspect not. The main attribute I would say applied is that they were mentally tough, scarily so, sometimes.
Telling people just to 'toughen up' doesn't go down well, but there certainly seems to be personality differences that contribute to the differences in lived experience, and it is a pity the necessary skills are not easily transferable. This is not to say that victims of misogynistic behaviour should 'simply' be tougher (i.e. victim blaming) - frankly men (in general) ought to be better behaved. Behaving equitably with and politely to people (no matter their gender) really should be undisputable.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 26 2021, @05:11PM (3 children)
Your first instinct is to blame the victim, even when she is a woman herself. It must get you plenty of sex. You just simply cannot believe that your cute and cuddly hunnies are real people who are capable of some nasty shit -or- it is against your patriarchal interests to admit that women can be nasty sexists too.
These things happened in a female-dominated environment. Many feminists also believe I'm a dude because I don't have a menstrual cycle, making me a target in female dominated environments.
One time a group of local feminists went so far as to put a block on my bank account preventing me from paying my pharmacy, because they believed that somehow my prescriptions were depriving women of healthcare.
I could talk about the time I was molested by a woman. I could go on and on. Why the fuck would I know why?! Maybe you'll suggest that the way I was dressed I was just asking for it!
(Score: 1) by pTamok on Saturday November 27 2021, @10:48AM
I was trying to answer your question:
As for women being capable of being badly behaved towards other women, and men, yes, my own experience accords with yours, they can be, and are. Group dynamics in social species are complicated. Memberships of in-groups and out-groups and dominance hierarchies can be very fluid. Being at the bottom of a dominance hierarchy or in a minority out-group can be very unpleasant. Women can be sociopathic too.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 28 2021, @01:29AM
Or any of the rest of it, for that matter.
I work in a very female-dominated environment. Very few men. most of the time bo men around, we're feminists out of both necessity and inclination, but we don't pull the shit you describe. We 100% support trans women as women, not as a threat. So we don't give a shit about a lack of a period for any reason.
That being said, there are plenty of teans women who are lazy shits, acting worse than drag queens. We had one, gave her the easiest job to do on her first day, and all we heard was complaints. "That's not a job for a woman." Even though all the women were doing much harder work, including heavy physical labour when required. Nobody likes a flamer or drama queen. So, she quit within hours.
People at work respect you for the work you do, not your appearance. You want to be treated as equal, act like you're equal. Produce like you're equal. Don't expect to be treated as someone "special" who deserves special handling.
And don't use being trans as an excuse for failure or unpopularity.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 28 2021, @07:52PM
Still calling bullshit on the whole "feminists put a block on my bank account " story.
Also, who the fuck (except a drama queen) gives a shit about what some TERFs think?
Seriously, how does someone who doesn't have your banking info put a block on your bank account? That would be handy to know. And a big security hole.
of course, anyone doing so would leave a trail, so why weren't they charged with, at the least, impersonation, for pretending to be you and claiming you needed a new bank card because the other one was stolen, so cancel it? Still needs your phone number and account details (account number, address, address of issuing bank). And you could just walk into your bank with ID and get a new card coded on the spot.
More likely , you just screwed up your account (bad password, too many attempts to log in, etc). Because again, why would a bunxh of TERFs have your banking info?
Or you did something stupid like lend your card to someone else?
Or you just looked suspicious when making a purchase, so the merchant reported their concerns and the bank put a hold on your account because you don't look like a woman?
So, trying to paint feminists as dipshits via a bs story about TERFs really makes me wonder what tour true motives are? And what do TERFs have to do with the article, which was about 3 people resigning from administrating a code of conduct from a little used language (heck, perl5 is far more widespread)?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 29 2021, @02:28AM
Ok, that's your anecdotal experience. I'm a man and I've experience the complete opposite as I see it all the time - most often the perpetrators aren't even conscious of it.
Also, its not just against woman, also against folks of color.
Sure, there are folks on the other side that is also exploiting this but they aren't mutually exclusive - it DOES NOT negate the fact that the other happens.