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Judge blocks Biden vaccine rule, citing “liberty interests of the unvaccinated”
A federal judge yesterday blocked a Biden administration COVID-19 vaccine mandate for health care workers, granting a request for preliminary injunction filed by Republican attorneys general from 14 states.
US District Judge Terry Doughty ruled that the government lacks authority to implement the rule that "requires the staff of twenty-one types of Medicare and Medicaid healthcare providers to receive one vaccine by December 6, 2021, and to receive the second vaccine by January 4, 2022." Providers that don't comply face penalties, including "termination of the Medicare/Medicaid Provider Agreement."
The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) mandate regulates over 10.3 million health care workers in the US, of which 2.4 million are unvaccinated. The Biden vaccine rule is being challenged by the attorneys general from Louisiana, Montana, Arizona, Alabama, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Mississippi, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Utah, West Virginia, Kentucky, and Ohio. The Republican AGs' lawsuit was filed against CMS and the US Department of Health and Human Services.
The preliminary injunction they won applies nationwide except for 10 states that "are already under a preliminary injunction order dated November 29, 2021, issued by the Eastern District of Missouri," a court order said. Those states are Alaska, Arkansas, Iowa, Kansas, Missouri, New Hampshire, Nebraska, Wyoming, North Dakota, and South Dakota.
What states did not participate in this lawsuit and were not covered by the earlier preliminary injunction — i.e. got swept into this decision?
California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, District Of Columbia, Florida, Hawaii, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Tennessee, Texas, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, and Wisconsin.
(Score: 5, Informative) by Opportunist on Thursday December 02 2021, @05:03AM (10 children)
You know, it feels like talking to the religious nuts and trying to explain to them why their "arguments" are bollocks. No matter how many times you explain to them why their arguments are rubbish, they still come back with the same argument, hoping that eventually they'll end up talking to someone who didn't hear the debunk for their bullshit.
No vaccination is perfect. Not only are there people who cannot get vaccinated, there are also people whose immune system isn't stable enough to withstand an infection even with vaccination. With enough people immunized in the population, this is usually still good enough to create a stable group immunity level to avoid an outbreak.
Without, we have what we have now.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 02 2021, @05:18AM (2 children)
Which part of "does not stop people from spreading virus" is too hard for you to understand?
https://www.riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/modern-day-censorship/in-gibraltar-100-of-adults-are-fully-vaccinated-against-covid-19-and-yet-new-cases-are-exploding/ [riotimesonline.com]
Look Ma, no group immunity!
You cannot "debunk" observed facts. This is winter 2021, not spring 2020, there is no "fog of war" left for you to abuse.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Opportunist on Thursday December 02 2021, @05:47AM
Did you just introduce a new argument and berate me for not countering it pre-emptively?
Gibraltar is experiencing an increase in cases like pretty much all of Europe right now. They have a significant number of new cases, by far not the most right now per capita, but it's really high.
On the other hand, the last day when more than one person died from Covid there was in February. now, of course Gibraltar is a small country and deaths are by definition discreet since it's impossible to half-die, but considering that of the roughly 100 people who died in Gibraltar, less than 10 of them died since the onset of the vaccinations, I dare say there might be some sort of connection, don't you think?
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 02 2021, @02:58PM
Clearly you do not understand group immunity.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Thursday December 02 2021, @01:13PM (3 children)
There's also a chance that you could kill somebody by getting behind the wheel of your car, people who are completely innocent and have done nothing wrong. How dare you take chances with their lives?! Why can't you just take the subway or ride a bike like you have been told to do? If you would just cooperate, then everybody could be 100% safe.
You keep talking about probabilities when 100% solutions are what you secretly think they are.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Opportunist on Thursday December 02 2021, @03:06PM
Amazing. You apparently know more about how I think than I do.
Im my country, about 300-500 people die every year from car accidents (ignoring 2020, that year we had an all-time low for obvious reasons). Which is about 10-15 times fewer people than died from Covid.
Cars at least work as transportation means, so using them has a purpose that could be considered warranting the endangering of those 500 people. What exactly is the purpose of not being vaccinated that warrants the killing of ten times as many people? It should be something that's about 10 times as important as transporting people, goods and services.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by pipedwho on Friday December 03 2021, @04:37AM (1 child)
This is the reasoning the has speed limits imposed to reduce the risks of killing or injuring others. Likewise, mandating a vaccine is equivalent to other laws that avoid unnecessary deaths.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Friday December 03 2021, @05:34PM
Great. Then you won't have a problem when the government implants a control chip in your head. It's for your safety, after all. And before then, you certainly won't have a problem when they overturn Roe vs. Wade; "My body, my choice" doesn't really work as a slogan when you advocate forcibly injecting people against their will.
Personally, I am pro-choice and do agree that bodily autonomy is sacrosanct. The government does have no business telling you what to do with your body or your healthcare. I try hard to avoid hypocrisy.
"We're doing it for your own good!" is the cry of every tyrant.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 02 2021, @07:23PM (2 children)
You're a stupid fucking cowardly slave. I am not responsible for your puny immune system, or viruses unless i manufacture them and inject you with them. It's you vaxxed umbrella corp zombies who are manufacturing spike proteins, causing "breakthrough" infections and variants and shedding them on humans (unvaxxed people).
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 03 2021, @02:36AM
lol
(Score: 3, Funny) by Opportunist on Friday December 03 2021, @07:09AM
Since I have a discussion with someone on another site about what an ad-hominem attack looks like when you run out of arguments, I hope you don't mind if I link this one as a great example.