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posted by martyb on Thursday December 09 2021, @11:24AM   Printer-friendly

TSMC Founder: Pat Gelsinger Too Old to Make Intel Great Again - TSMC and Intel exchange rants.

After less than a year into his tenure as Intel's chief executive, Pat Gelsinger has set up the company's process technology roadmap that spans through 2025 and introduced the company's IDM 2.0 foundry strategy. But the ambitious CEO may not have enough time to bring Intel back to its glory days, said Morris Chang, the founder and a former CEO of TSMC, reports UDN.

Pat Gelsinger is 60, and there is a rule that Intel's executives must retire at the age of 65. As a result, Gelsinger may not have enough time to put Intel back in a manufacturing technology leadership position, Chang noted while delivering his lecture 'Cherish Taiwan's Advantages in Semiconductor Wafer Manufacturing.'

[...] TSMC is not particularly happy with Gelsinger. Last week, he said that the reliance on Taiwan as the global hub for semiconductor manufacturing was a significant risk since China had never given up plans to capture the country.

"Taiwan is not a stable place," said Gelsinger at Fortune Brainstorm Tech, reports Nikkei. "Beijing sent 27 warplanes to Taiwan's air defense identification zone this week. Does that make you feel more comfortable or less?"

He also re-emphasized his view that foreign semiconductor companies should not receive subsidies from the U.S. government to build new fabs under the $52-billion CHIPS act. Gelsinger called on the U.S. government to provide incentives only for American chipmakers. He argued that semiconductor companies from China, Taiwan and South Korea received major aid from their respective governments, which made it harder for American companies like Intel to compete.


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  • (Score: 0, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 09 2021, @12:11PM (26 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 09 2021, @12:11PM (#1203272)

    No?

    The Israelis have killed far more, and even Netanyahu went on national TV and admitted to breaking the cease fire first, several years ago. They claimed it was a "pre-emptive strike across the border".

    Look, I get that they're firing rockets at Israelis, but they're pretty much David to Israel's Goliath. Israel kills hundreds of civilians, women and children, for each individual Israeli death, statistically. In the US, you can't actually admit that, and there's a hard line of propaganda to cover up that fact, because Israel is essentially a US client state. We can't go badmouthing our own genocidal maniacs.

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  • (Score: 2) by driverless on Thursday December 09 2021, @12:20PM (2 children)

    by driverless (4770) on Thursday December 09 2021, @12:20PM (#1203274)

    We can't go badmouthing our own genocidal maniacs.

    Exactly. "He may be a son of a bitch, but he's our son of a bitch" (FDR) has been US policy for over eighty years.

    Problem is that the vast majority of the SOBs the US supports are their own SOBs, not the US' B's. They just go through the motions to get US support, which works pretty much every time. It's got a bit harder in recent years since you need to do a bit more than claim you're anti-communist in order to get free access to funding, weapons, and ignoring of the fact that you're dropping people you don't like out of helicopters into the ocean, but it's still every dictator's most useful meal ticket.

    • (Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Thursday December 09 2021, @12:43PM (1 child)

      by PiMuNu (3823) on Thursday December 09 2021, @12:43PM (#1203276)

      > Problem is that the vast majority of the SOBs the US supports are their own SOBs, not the US' B's

      Romans went for a couple of hundred years doing it that way. Eventually they gave up and started putting in Roman governors for their client states. That didn't work either, the governors got "uppity" and started deposing emperors.

      Brits started with corporate-owned client states and again moved on to governors (I'm thinking mainly about India here). We only kept things going for about 150 years before de-colonising.

      • (Score: 2) by driverless on Thursday December 09 2021, @12:50PM

        by driverless (4770) on Thursday December 09 2021, @12:50PM (#1203278)

        Interesting to compare it to what being Putin's bitch entails: You need to be between Russia and the rest of the world and you need to really, really seriously be Putin's bitch. No going through the motions there.

  • (Score: 0, Offtopic) by khallow on Thursday December 09 2021, @01:34PM (2 children)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday December 09 2021, @01:34PM (#1203285) Journal

    Look, I get that they're firing rockets at Israelis, but they're pretty much David to Israel's Goliath.

    You just acknowledged the reason that Hamas waived that fair fight. Should murderers get a fair fight against the police? Should the police send one person at a time until the criminal surrenders peacefully?

    Israel kills hundreds of civilians, women and children, for each individual Israeli death, statistically.

    Hamas knows how to stop that. It's not launching rockets at random places in Israel.

    We can't go badmouthing our own genocidal maniacs.

    Who would that be?

    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 09 2021, @02:14PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 09 2021, @02:14PM (#1203302)

      um the israeli govt.

      trouble is USA learnt its imperial coloniaism directly from mother europe, and nothing is new under the sun.

      peace will not come from discovery of who threw the first stone, or by encouraging lesseer powers to go at it, rather by being the first to lay down the stone.

      • (Score: 2, Interesting) by khallow on Friday December 10 2021, @08:34AM

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday December 10 2021, @08:34AM (#1203534) Journal
        In other words, empty accusations of genocide and a but European imperialism argument. Neither has any place in this thread, because they have nothing to with Israel or Hamas's behavior described above.

        peace will not come from discovery of who threw the first stone, or by encouraging lesseer powers to go at it, rather by being the first to lay down the stone.

        But I think insight will come to you from such a discovery.

  • (Score: 0, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Thursday December 09 2021, @02:06PM (10 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday December 09 2021, @02:06PM (#1203297) Homepage Journal

    In the US, you can't actually admit that, and there's a hard line of propaganda to cover up that fact,

    I'll admit it for you. Feel better?

    Now, let's do a little mind exercise. China and the US go to war, over whatever pretext. If it's allowed to become a war of attrition, one death for one death, China wins by default. That has been a well-known fact for as long as intelligent people have considered the possibility. So, our answer is, if there's a war, we kill hundreds of theirs for every one of our losses.

    Now, look back to Israel. The day that Arabs gain an equal footing, killing one Israeli for every Arab lost, then the Arabs win by default. They just keep the pressure up, until Israel collapses. Put yourself in Israel's position, and tell us that you wouldn't kill hundreds for every one of your own losses.

    Now that you've played the mind game, you need to add something to the equation. Maybe not every Moslem in the world is fanatical about killing Israelis and/or Jews, but, their Koran teaches that in some great final war, Jews will try to hide under rocks. And, the very rocks will cry out, telling Moslems that a Jew is hiding beneath it. Everyone seems to forget that there are religious aspects to all of Israeli dealings with Arabs, or with Moslems.

    So, again, I say that when Arabs gain an equal footing, one death for one death, there will be boatloads of martyrs volunteering to kill an Israeli.

    They either continue killing hundreds for every loss, or Israel vanishes from the face of the earth - again. I can live without an Israel, I suppose. But, I admire the fighting spirit that has kept Israel alive in the face of overwhelming force for 7 decades.

    --
    Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 09 2021, @02:10PM (9 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 09 2021, @02:10PM (#1203298)
      Gee, you're a racist sonofabitch.
      • (Score: 0, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Thursday December 09 2021, @02:19PM (8 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday December 09 2021, @02:19PM (#1203305) Homepage Journal

        You're obviously too stupid to understand the words you use. WTF is racist about observing that there are more Chinese than there are Americans? Or, observing that there are more Arabs and Moslems than there are Israelis? Expand your vocabulary, and in the process, try to get an education.

        --
        Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
        • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 09 2021, @03:48PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 09 2021, @03:48PM (#1203327)

          He called you a racist for supposing that you could live in a world without an Isreal, I think.

          Which still makes him an idiot, since Isreal != Jew. Had you said you suppose you could live in a world without Jews, that would be a lot closer to being racist.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 09 2021, @09:48PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 09 2021, @09:48PM (#1203444)

            Given its current usage the word "racist" has basically devolved into an insult to fling at anyone who dares to voice disagreement.

            • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by aristarchus on Friday December 10 2021, @03:43AM

              by aristarchus (2645) on Friday December 10 2021, @03:43AM (#1203500) Journal

              And Runaway, who is actually old school un-educated white trash racist. Doesn't like to have it pointed out, however.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 09 2021, @05:04PM (4 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 09 2021, @05:04PM (#1203357)

          Your post was racist in its depiction of arabs and "moslems". Your post was mostly about that totally unrelated issue. The topic is Taiwan, not Israel.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 09 2021, @06:00PM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 09 2021, @06:00PM (#1203382)

            "Moslems". Clearly racist. We call them "Muslims" now, which is totally different.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 10 2021, @01:34AM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 10 2021, @01:34AM (#1203475)

              Give white supremacists an inch and innocent people get murdered.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 10 2021, @02:52AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 10 2021, @02:52AM (#1203494)

                Comrade Stalin would like a word with you ...

          • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Thursday December 09 2021, @07:18PM

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday December 09 2021, @07:18PM (#1203403) Homepage Journal

            "moslems"

            Would Mohammedan make you feel better? And, if you can't understand the comparison, don't cry to me.

            --
            Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
  • (Score: 4, Informative) by DannyB on Thursday December 09 2021, @03:54PM (8 children)

    by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Thursday December 09 2021, @03:54PM (#1203328) Journal

    We can't go badmouthing our own genocidal maniacs.

    Opinion: if Mexico were to frequently fire rockets at US civilians, and keep doing so, repeatedly, even after many retaliatory strikes, I strongly suspect we would react far more strongly than Israel has. IMO, Israel has been very restrained in its reaction.

    It is your right if you happen to disagree.

    --
    If you think a fertilized egg is a child but an immigrant child is not, please don't pretend your concerns are religious
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 09 2021, @04:35PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 09 2021, @04:35PM (#1203344)

      If the US invaded Mexican lands and stole them from me in living memory, I'd be firing rockets too. What the hell do you people not understand about theft?

      • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 09 2021, @05:26PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 09 2021, @05:26PM (#1203367)

        If the US invaded Mexican lands

        The Israeli settlers are undocumented migrants! You have just revealed your own antisemitism and racism by the mere notion of suggesting that they are invaders.

        and stole them from me in living memory, I'd be firing rockets too

        The Palestinians want to murder people over property. Wow, how bloodthirsty of you to place more value over property than the lives of other people.

        What the hell do you people not understand about theft?

        I have it on good authority that whenever people try to steal your property, the proper response is to let them have it. All you need to do is use your theft insurance afterward.

        Why is it so hard for the Palestinians to understand these simple concepts?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 11 2021, @08:55AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 11 2021, @08:55AM (#1203855)

        I'd be firing rockets too

        So what you're saying is that you, too, would transport a deadly weapon across nation state lines.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 09 2021, @04:38PM (4 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 09 2021, @04:38PM (#1203345)

      Israel was imposed on the defacto British colony of Palestine as an ethnostate based on one race and religion. There was resistance to that. Then Israel fought a war as a result and occupied conquered lands. The people living on those lands were told, "finders keepers". What you see now is a war that turned into guerrilla warfare. It never ended.

      Now, would I defend myself against attacks if I were Israel? Of course. But does Israel keep inciting Palestinians? Yes.

      It's not really my war, so I don't get worked up about it. These things only end when both sides are well enough off that war makes no sense, it destroys what they have, but that won't happen here. Palestine is a dumpster fire with no hope of being better off. They are occupied and stuffed into a closet whose ingress and egress the Israelis control.

      They other way wars end is if you kill off most of your opponents. So far, that approach has not been taken in the conflict.

      • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday December 09 2021, @05:05PM (3 children)

        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Thursday December 09 2021, @05:05PM (#1203359) Journal

        There are Palestinians who live and work peacefully in Israel.

        --
        If you think a fertilized egg is a child but an immigrant child is not, please don't pretend your concerns are religious
        • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 09 2021, @05:27PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 09 2021, @05:27PM (#1203368)

          As second class citizens, serfs in lands that they have just as much claim to as any Israeli Jew.

        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by jelizondo on Thursday December 09 2021, @05:34PM

          by jelizondo (653) Subscriber Badge on Thursday December 09 2021, @05:34PM (#1203370) Journal

          Also there were many black Africans living and working peacefully in every British colony in the Americas, but I would not want that sort of life and you wouldn't either, so what’s your point?

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 09 2021, @09:30PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 09 2021, @09:30PM (#1203441)

          Yup! They are called collaborators.