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Growing extremism can and has turned almost anything into a political struggle in which people pay diminishing attention to the topics and more to the 'tribal' group that they may be associated with. We've seen the effects on the functioning on the US congress, as well as in how laws on various topics have been playing out lately.
But the idea that without a center, things fall apart, may be more real than we thought, as this article at ScienceBlog about a Cornell study describes: https://scienceblog.com/527200/tipping-point-makes-partisan-polarization-irreversible/
It seems that up to a point, it is possible to reverse the polarization. Beyond that tipping point, it cannot. From what I've seen, the US is probably in the vicinity of that tipping point. The pattern described here sounds an awful lot like the period-doubling path to chaos, a mathematical construct in which a function that has a single stable state in one range of numbers starts developing two stable states, and then four, until stability is lost and the set devolves into chaos. If this reflection has any validity in the political or social realms, then we should also have seen the same pattern play out within discussions that turn to chaos.
Is there predictive power in this observation by the researchers at Cornell? If so, can anything be done to head it off, or are we all doomed to watch it play out?
Journal Reference:
Michael W. Macy, Manqing Ma, Daniel R. Tabin, et al. Polarization and tipping points [$], Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (DOI: 10.1073/pnas.2102144118)
(Score: 1, Troll) by khallow on Sunday December 12 2021, @06:07AM (70 children)
There is no accuracy here. The fail is with the words "effects of a shared fate". There often is no shared fate, such as a future risk being grossly exaggerated by Chicken Littles. Consider common doomsday narratives peddled here every day:
1) Islam is going to outbreed the rest of the world and plunge everywhere into Islamic dystopia.
2) The human race is existentially threatened by near future climate change.
3) Fascists/white supremacists/etc are taking over.
4) Antifa/BLM/etc is burning the US down.
5) Boomers/millennials doom the world.
The problem is that the doomsday scenario isn't actually happening and hence, the shared destiny just isn't there.
My take on this is that society doesn't just magically go into a polarization regime. I think there's a better answer out there - namely that US society came under enhanced stress due to a combination of labor competition from the developed world and a lot of poor choices with respect to domestic policy (most people know my views on public spending, social safety nets, etc), a growing conflict over zero sum resources like public spending, and the ever present willingness to blame out-groups for our problems.
My take is that there's some standard solutions to this sort of problem: 1) treat everyone equally in the rules, 2) suck it up - the stresses I mention won't go away just because you choose to fight someone over it and the world won't magically get better just because you want something, 3) a more realistic understanding of what the tools of society can and can't do (avoid metrics that deliberately exaggerate the problems of society like certain dysfunctional measures of wealth inequality), 4) don't lose your shit over someone with the wrong viewpoints and opinions, and 5) understand what matters (your tribe winning doesn't matter, but a society that is free and prosperous does) and that what matters often takes a lot of work to work right.
As to you, AC, you're free to lose your shit over the January 6 protests, but there's no point to it. Those protests ended on January 6 with the people who did wrong, being tried in court for real crimes. Your continued obsession with it has lasted almost a year which is a huge waste of your time and emotions.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 12 2021, @07:41AM
STOP talking sense (except 2+3). Let them eat $7.25hr while we figure this shit out over latte.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 12 2021, @07:47AM (10 children)
Funny, you rightwingers call protests riots and insurrections protests. The divide is already here, reality vs. rightwing fiction. There is no bridging that divide, the divide is what the right WANTS.
(Score: 0, Troll) by khallow on Sunday December 12 2021, @03:38PM (3 children)
I'm not a rightwinger. And well, protests can be riots and insurrections can be protests, so not much to your complaint. Welcome to reality where things can have many attributes that all describe some part of the thing. Please be careful when you play in traffic.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 12 2021, @05:59PM (2 children)
Sorry, not rightwinger. TRUTH Socialist?
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday December 12 2021, @06:25PM (1 child)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 12 2021, @06:31PM
(Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 12 2021, @04:08PM (3 children)
All you have said here is that you approve of and support one group of rioters, while you condemn another much smaller group of rioters.
I remind you that the majority of people who entered the Capitol building on Jan 6 walked between Capitol police holding the doors open for them. Only in your imagination were there thousands of rioters inside the Capitol. It has been repeated over and over: those couple hundred assholes who broke laws are being prosecuted, and few conservatives are offering much of a defense for the lawbreakers.
(Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 12 2021, @06:19PM (1 child)
What is the left protesting? Police brutality including proof that Black people are disproportionately victims. (In the final analysis, working class are victims, of which Black people are disproportionately members.)
What is the right protesting? They didn't like the results of an election, and they have no proof whatsoever!
What is the goal of the left's protests? End police brutality, uphold the rights of the accused.
What is the goal of the right's protests? Presidential dictatorship.
That is the reason we call the left ones protests and the right ones an attempted coup. Not to mention the support the attempted coup had from inside the state itself.
(Score: 0, Troll) by khallow on Monday December 13 2021, @12:25PM
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 12 2021, @07:32PM
Well you're too much if a hack to understand the difference between a protest turning into a riot and an attempted coup. Donald gave the 1/6 crowd their marching orders, stop the steal and fight like hell. No amount of wishing can put your poor choices back in the bottle, take some fucking responsibility for once in your life.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 13 2021, @01:21PM (1 child)
The left CREATED the divide with their identity politics. You create it, then tell me that I own it? You're out of your fucking mind.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 14 2021, @01:33AM
I'm pretty sure we wouldn't be here without centuries of identity politics from right-wingers.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by helel on Sunday December 12 2021, @03:38PM (20 children)
The very fact that you don't see a mob breaking into our center of government, trying to kill our representatives, and trying to overturn the results of our election as serious is the "frightening accuracy" of the prediction. Under normal conditions you'd expect a nation to band together and denounce anyone that committed such a brazen attack.
On a side note, I find it amusing how all the global warming deniers are posting about how it's a "hoax" here instead of here [soylentnews.org].
Republican Patriotism [youtube.com]
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 12 2021, @04:12PM (9 children)
You need evidence that anyone attempted to kill anyone. I've seen zero such evidence. And, no, that gallows erected outside the Capitol falls under the heading of 'free speech'. No one even hanged Pelosi in effigy - all they had was a poorly constructed stage prop, used to express the crowd's contempt for Democrat leadership.
The only death that day was one of the rioters who attempted to gain entry to the floor of the capitol building. One death properly attributed to the riot.
(Score: 5, Informative) by helel on Sunday December 12 2021, @04:23PM (6 children)
We were looking for Nancy to shoot her in the friggin' brain, but we didn't find her. [cnn.com]
Capitol Rioter Who Brought Gun On January 6 Said He Was Hunting Pelosi [nationalmemo.com]
There, now you have seen evidence, beyond everything that we all saw on live TV.
Republican Patriotism [youtube.com]
(Score: 1, Troll) by khallow on Sunday December 12 2021, @06:12PM (5 children)
You list one person who trash talked at a riot, and one who trash talked later. The latter was caught with a firearm which the story notes "most clear-cut yet of a loaded firearm on Capitol grounds that day" (in other words, only a handful of protesters brought firearms anywhere near the Capitol building which is inconvenient to the insurrection narrative). You need evidence of "trying to kill our representatives, and trying to overturn [illegally, right?] the results of our election" not this crap.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 12 2021, @06:22PM (4 children)
It's just a joke, bro!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 12 2021, @08:45PM
Got it, thanks for clearing that up, bro! We'll add it to the just of jokes..
-- "Can't we just drone this guy?"
-- "If you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black'."
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday December 12 2021, @09:38PM (2 children)
Indeed, people joke all the time - even at protests. Prove it wasn't. Don't waste me time just saying that it happened.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 12 2021, @11:00PM (1 child)
I guess until you get shot in the head you won't realize that you've joined traitors attempting a coup against the United States, and at that point it will be too late for you and whoever else you've murdered along the way. Ashli Babbit is waiting for you in hell.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday December 12 2021, @11:23PM
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 12 2021, @06:19PM (1 child)
> a poorly constructed stage prop, used to express the crowd's contempt for Democrat leadership.
Uh... Mike Pence is not a democrat.
(Score: 2) by mcgrew on Sunday December 12 2021, @06:37PM
He is to a MAGAt.
Carbon, The only element in the known universe to ever gain sentience
(Score: 0, Troll) by khallow on Sunday December 12 2021, @06:11PM
Looks like normal conditions [justice.gov] to me. We have many hundreds of protesters facing criminal charges in federal court. The US did indeed band together and wrongdoers were indeed punished, the most serious sort of denouncing available. That box is checked.
That other story isn't relevant to global warming. That's probably why.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday December 13 2021, @01:25PM (8 children)
Stand that statement on it's head.
The fact that you don't see violent mobs taking over city centers, burning cities down, trying to injure or kill police officers as serious etc etc . . .
Your side was counting days of violence, days of occupation, and GLOATING over it. Your side was busy bailing criminals out of jail so that those same criminals could return to rioting. Your side was careful to NOT keep a body count, even when the bodies were being carted out of the Zone in Seattle.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 5, Informative) by helel on Monday December 13 2021, @01:55PM (2 children)
Don't worry. The right pretending that progressive protests are violent [truthorfiction.com] is part of our stable equilibrium.
Republican Patriotism [youtube.com]
(Score: 2, Disagree) by Runaway1956 on Monday December 13 2021, @02:49PM (1 child)
Pretending, huh? Were people killed in CHAZ? Was an old man beaten nearly to death in Kenosha? Were city centers burnt? Were explosives thrown at police? There is no pretense there - the left was violent for most of a year, and regularly bailed their criminals out of jail, so they could return to the violence.
The left needs to stop playing make-believe, and have an honest discussion.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 14 2021, @01:35AM
craaaaaaaaaazy
(Score: 2) by Aurean on Monday December 13 2021, @08:00PM (4 children)
Do you have any sense of proportion whatsoever? Even today the anti mask anti-vaccine propaganda kills more Americans every week than every left wing everything *plus* every terrorist incident since the founding of the country. All put together. Every week. And it's mostly the Right that's dying. Amazing.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Monday December 13 2021, @08:44PM
Yes, I do have a sense of proportion. An insurrection was openly declared in Seattle, and the downtown area was declared to be off limits for any representatives of the local, state, and federal governments. The progressive Democrat crazies defended that openly declared insurrection, until bodies began to litter the streets.
On Jan 6, tens of thousands of US citizens were out protesting an election they didn't like. A couple hundred of those protesters broke some laws - almost all of which were misdemeanors. Perhaps a dozen people are facing felony charges for their actions that day. One person died that day, as a direct result of breaking one or more laws. There were no other casualties on that day. And, the crazy progressive left calls that an insurrection.
Proportion. Get you some.
Your numbers don't add up, first because you apparently aren't owning Ayers, Fonda, Hearst, the Una-bomber, and other leftist/progressive/Dem-leaning terrorists. You have also disowned the KKK - they never were Republican and/or conservative.
They also don't add up, unless you're trying to attribute every COVID death in America anti-vaxx rhetoric.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday December 14 2021, @01:49AM (2 children)
I dispute that. I think a key part of what make anti-mask, anti-vaccine political was the collective hypocrisy of the people advocating for these policies. Such as saying it's important that you social distance and shelter in place even for things like religious ceremonies, unless you're protesting the Floyd killing. If you want people to believe something is important, you need to consistently treat it like it were important.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 15 2021, @04:29AM (1 child)
Why are you conflating the two groups? One side is the Democratic party/Governement establishment, the other is grassroots protesters. They are not the same thing, and what the protesters do or don't do doesn't reflect on the suits at all, because they aren't even the same organization.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday December 15 2021, @05:28AM
I'm not. The Floyd protesters weren't telling us what to do about covid.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by srobert on Sunday December 12 2021, @04:03PM (14 children)
"4) don't lose your shit over someone with the wrong viewpoints and opinions,"
That ones difficult for most of us. Depends on what's at stake:
Compare someone saying one of these two statements to you.
I respectfully disagree with your position to have seafood instead of turkey for Thanksgiving.
I respectfully disagree with your assertion that we should repair the plane before we take off
I don't lose my shit over the 1st sort, but the 2nd just makes me intolerant of any dissent.
(Score: 3, Informative) by helel on Sunday December 12 2021, @04:25PM (3 children)
Don't worry. If the democrats compromise down to only fixing one wing the republicans will still vote against any fixing at all!
Republican Patriotism [youtube.com]
(Score: 2) by srobert on Sunday December 12 2021, @05:12PM (2 children)
After watching the video you link to, I better understand why Democrats get so angry about my "Bernie or bust" position. Even Bernie is angry with me about it. But in the next election I'll probably still insist on progressive change as a condition of my vote in November. Gotta fix both wings to get me on board.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 12 2021, @06:40PM (1 child)
Bernie knows he's a dead end, but you apparently do not know this.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Monday December 13 2021, @01:28PM
Doesn't much matter if Bernie is a dead end. The problem is that the DNC twice fucked him over, thwarting the will of the people. And all the 'left' in America worry over an imaginary coup on Jan 6, when in fact the real coup happened at DNC headquarters.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by dwilson on Sunday December 12 2021, @05:37PM (7 children)
Context is everything. What's actually wrong with the plane? Is the in-flight entertainment down? Fuck it, take off anyway.
You'd be intolerant of any dissent over that? Jeeze, thirty years ago we flew without it and didn't have a problem...
- D
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 12 2021, @06:23PM
The plane doesnt cut taxes or ban abortions. THAT's why we cant take off.
(Score: 2) by srobert on Sunday December 12 2021, @06:45PM (1 child)
In the two examples, the 2nd is intended to convey the type of disagreement where something is seriously at risk; on the order of the performance of O-rings in cold weather on the Challenger.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday December 12 2021, @09:45PM
Sure it is. But no evidence was ever given to support that impression. Something like "The wing is on fire, I think we need to repair the plane." would be very different from the "in-flight entertainment down" example or "my astrologer said the plane needs repairs".
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 13 2021, @01:22AM (1 child)
I must say, the rhetorical gymnastics you go through to avoid addressing the obvious, are truly astounding. I'm both impressed and annoyed at the same time.
(Score: 2) by dwilson on Wednesday December 15 2021, @12:09AM
More or less the point I was making, actually. What's obvious to you is likely to be different than what's obvious to me.
And yet we, as a society, cheerfully enter in to heated disagreements where somebody ends up 'losing their shit' and escalating things far beyond what's reasonable ... over a problem which was stated so generally and unspecifically that it's just, well, truly astounding. It impresses and annoys me, at the same time.
It's not enough to hear someone with an opinion you disagree with and enter in to immediate opposition. Why do they hold this opinion? What do they think the problem is, and is it the same problem you think it is? Before debate, disagreement, or uncorking a can of whoop-ass: Seek more information. Ask questions. Acquire data. Learn the context of what's being discussed. Civilly, and politely.
Then, by all means, blow up over it. But you'll probably find you don't want to anymore.
- D
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 13 2021, @02:57AM
I thought the passengers fighting was the entertainment?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday December 13 2021, @01:29PM
80 years ago, you'd keep flying if an engine fell off, lol!
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0, Troll) by khallow on Sunday December 12 2021, @06:20PM
What's wrong with that statement that losing of shit is warranted? Was your assertion backed by a reason that the rest of us should accept (like an engine on fire) Or were you just crazy (the voices told you that the plane needed to be repaired!)?
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Monday December 13 2021, @03:14AM
>I respectfully disagree with your assertion that we should repair the plane before we take off
I was on "that plane" - it had a "failure warning in the navigation system," on a flight from Atlanta to Miami. If my pilot can't find Miami International Airport, when starting in Atlanta, without a navigation system other than the lights out the window on a night with clear skies, I want a new pilot - not a fixed navigation system on the plane.
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(Score: 3, Interesting) by number11 on Sunday December 12 2021, @04:46PM (16 children)
Those are some reasons, yes. Though public spending is not a "zero sum resource" unless you hold that a particular dollar amount is the only possible level. Spending, taxation, debt, use of private resources are all variables, as demonstrated by major differences in how various countries do it. But the other reason is that there is one faction that has been driving polarization for 40 years or so. I don't think the intent was to drive polarization, but the intent was to drive that faction's point of view, which resulted in polarization when others failed to acquiesce.
Not clear what you mean. Sure, we want to avoid deliberately exaggerating the problems. Are you saying all measures of wealth inequality are disfunctional? How do we know which measures are functional and which dysfunctional?
I expect most agree with that. The problem is, there are massive differences in the definitions of "free" and "prosperous".
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday December 12 2021, @05:36PM (8 children)
Almost every dollar of public spending comes from some other tax payer in the present or future. There's a small amount from the selling of government goods and services, but the vast majority is taken from each other. It's a classic zero sum game.
When the Credit Suisse does their annual report on wealth inequality or some NGO wants to bang the wealth inequality drum, they ignore the most important source of wealth - future income. If your measure of wealth inequality doesn't include a reasonable estimate of future income, it's dysfunctional.
Do they agree? I see several ways that fails in practice. First, being selective in who should be free. Hate speech is a notorious example where a lot of people advocate for curtailing human freedom because they say bad things. Given Europe has widespread hate speech law, that indicates to me that a probably majority in many of those countries aren't so in agreement with the freedom thing.
Similarly, prosperity often gets second seat. I've seen many arguments where we shouldn't do something economically beneficial because the wrong people would benefit as well (for example, cryptocurrencies [soylentnews.org]). A similar thing goes on with alleged welfare subsidies [soylentnews.org] to businesses that employ people making near minimum wage (link to complaints about Walmart not paying as much as the poster thinks they should).
And then there's accusations of treason, insurrection, etc that come from all over. Those people aren't interested in freedom. They're interested in jailing someone for wrongthink.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 12 2021, @07:36PM (4 children)
Wrongthink?
Sorry you blithering fool, but their actions and words were very real during the insurrection. Thanks for continuing to espouse your bullshit, all this means is that you or someone close to you participated in the insurrection and you're TERRIFIED of facing the music.
Go fuck yourself traitor.
(Score: 1, Disagree) by khallow on Sunday December 12 2021, @11:16PM (2 children)
(Score: 3, Touché) by https on Monday December 13 2021, @01:41AM (1 child)
Don't you just hate people with functioning memories.
Offended and laughing about it.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday December 13 2021, @12:30PM
If that were true, and it's not, then I would have good reason for my opinions! I'll note here that I have yet to actually criticize the trials coming from the January 6 protests - mostly because they refused to try people for the ridiculous "insurrection" accusations. That indicates a lack of such terror.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Monday December 13 2021, @01:31PM
FTFY
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by number11 on Sunday December 12 2021, @08:04PM (2 children)
Sure. But tax revenues are not a fixed number, they can be changed in various ways. E.g. by creating economic conditions that bring higher revenues at the same tax rates, or by raising tax rates. Allocation of just where the taxes come from can be changed. If, say, raising taxes to cover health costs gives a better return than individuals covering their own health costs (and the sometimes resulting bankruptcies), that's not zero sum. Maybe the issue is, the two sides of that sum don't necessarily accrue to the same people?
I have no idea what that means, unless you're saying that the resources of the wealthy will be taken and given to the poor. But I doubt that's your intent. Whose future income are we talking about when we look at wealth (say, Jeff Bezos, or the Sacklers)? The future income will accrue to the wealthy. Is it that you object to measuring wealth, and the inequality thereof?
The fact that many Euro countries have laws against hate speech doesn't mean that most of their population wants to engage in it, any more than having laws against murder means that most of us want to be murderers. That there are a lot of people who say "I've got mine, so screw them" is unfortunate, but I see that as mostly being myopic. Like a sign saying "Keep your government hands off of my social security." Accusations of "treason" mostly come from people who haven't read the part of the Constitution that defines the term, or using it to mean "evil attack on the government". Everybody likes to badmouth their opponents, and there are a few too dumb to recognize hyperbole. I suppose it can't be avoided, after all, "half the population is below average".
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 12 2021, @09:24PM
Those who push for "hate speech" laws [jpost.com] routinely do want to engage in it [usatoday.com] as sure as politicians pushing covid measures were exposed breaking them.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday December 13 2021, @05:05AM
By taking more or less from other people. And sorry, I don't buy that taxes do much to create better economic conditions. Roads, law enforcement, emergency preparedness, and to a modest degree, national security - these can do the above but they're usually around 5-10% of a country's budget. Most is at best valueless fluff, merely transferring from one party to another, or worse deliberate creation of inefficiencies that drain the economy of a society.
But it is a strong indication that most of their population wants to engage in the suppressing of hate speech.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday December 12 2021, @09:47PM (6 children)
That's not a reason because there isn't "one faction", but many factions. Probably good that you never mentioned the One True Faction by name for it might hear thee beckoning it...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 12 2021, @10:36PM (4 children)
Clue: it's the one that wants its country back.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday December 12 2021, @11:25PM (3 children)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 13 2021, @02:33AM (1 child)
Duh, follow the clue shithead.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday December 13 2021, @04:47PM
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 13 2021, @07:05PM
Da Joooz!
(Score: 2) by number11 on Monday December 13 2021, @03:05AM
I didn't say that there was only one faction. I said that one in particular had caused the problem.
(Score: 2) by mhajicek on Sunday December 12 2021, @05:12PM (4 children)
The shared destiny IS there, it's the perception of it that differs. If, for example, half the population believes an asteroid impact can be averted through prayer, and as such refuse to permit a redirect mission, we all suffer the consequences together.
The spacelike surfaces of time foliations can have a cusp at the surface of discontinuity. - P. Hajicek
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday December 12 2021, @06:21PM (3 children)
That's a pretty irrelevant "if".
(Score: 2) by helel on Sunday December 12 2021, @11:47PM (2 children)
The shared destiny IS there, it's the perception of it that differs. If, for example, half the population believes an
asteroid impactglobal pandemic can be averted through prayer, and as such refuse to permita redirect missionpublic health measures, we all suffer the consequences together.That seem a little more realistic?
Republican Patriotism [youtube.com]
(Score: 2) by mhajicek on Monday December 13 2021, @08:09AM
Exactly what I was paraphrasing.
The spacelike surfaces of time foliations can have a cusp at the surface of discontinuity. - P. Hajicek
(Score: 2) by mhajicek on Monday December 13 2021, @08:11AM
Though you forgot the bleach injections and horse dewormer.
The spacelike surfaces of time foliations can have a cusp at the surface of discontinuity. - P. Hajicek