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Dominion Voting wins key decision in lawsuit against Fox News
(don't shoot the messenger unless you intend to ask questions later)
I'll only quote facts reported in the article rather than any opinion. Each fact is either true or false, regardless of the source that reports it.
1: A judge in Delaware has found that Fox News' coverage of election fraud after the 2020 election may have been inaccurate, and is allowing a major defamation case against the right-wing TV network to move forward.
2: Judge Eric Davis of the Delaware Superior Court declined to dismiss Dominion Voting System's lawsuit against Fox News in a significant ruling Thursday.
3: The ruling will now allow Dominion to attempt to unearth extensive communications within Fox News as they gather evidence for the case, and the company may be able to interview the network's top names under oath.
4: Davis called out, in the 52-page opinion, that Fox News may have slanted its coverage to push election fraud, knowing the accusations were wrong.
5: Dominion alerted the network's anchors and executives to information that disproved accusations of widespread vote-switching following Donald Trump's re-election loss, the judge noted.
6: The lawsuit alleges Fox News personalities including Tucker Carlson, Jeanine Pirro, Sean Hannity and their on-air guests Rudy Giuliani, Sidney Powell and Mike Lindell spread lies about fraud in the 2020 election that hurt Dominion's business. It is one of several lawsuits Dominion has brought related to right-wing claims after the election, and is a major win for the company.
Was there bamboo on the ballots? Did the voting machines have constant contact with servers outside the US via Italian satellites?
(Score: 3, Informative) by DannyB on Monday December 20 2021, @06:14PM (15 children)
You've totally lost touch. This is (one of several) defamation lawsuit filed by a commercial company.
Dominion is rightfully upset at those it has sued. Those it has sued told outright verifiable LIES causing financial damage.
1. This is a commercial company.
2. They make equipment for voting. Their interest is to make equipment that is accurate.
3. Fox News, Lou Dobbs, Sidney Powell, Rudy Guiliani and others made numerous false claims about Dominion Voting.
4. As laid out in one of my prior journal articles, Dominion's lawsuit is specific and detailed in pointing out these false statements.
5. These false statements could have been easily verified to be false by either Fox or those making the statements.
6. These false statements cost Dominion a lot of money in lost contracts, which they can prove.
7. This lawsuit is real and not a figment of my imagination or some kind of political conspiracy.
Wow.
You really don't even have a clue what this is about.
Completely irrelevant and unrelated to this lawsuit by a commercial company and those who defamed it with their brazen lies.
If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday December 20 2021, @08:53PM (14 children)
Yes, I haz cluez, thank you very much. As I said, it's a political witch hunt. Oh, wait, you don't think the courts can be involved in witch hunts? Maybe you should look up McCarthyism, and all the shenanigans that took place then.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 21 2021, @05:24AM
Ok APK
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday December 21 2021, @03:28PM (12 children)
How is the extensively detailed complaint by Dominion a witch hunt?
Fox News and its guest said various things that were lies. The complaint details each and every one for hundreds of pages. Who said exactly what, which air date, which FOX News program, etc.
The complaint details how easily every one of these lies could have been fact checked at the time.
The complaint details exactly Dominion was damaged.
Is it Dominion that is on a witch hunt? Or are they a damaged party suing for civil damages in the court system??
How pray tell is the Court system being used as a political witch hunt.
I know about McCarthyism. Please explain how this is similar rather than throwing names around. McCarthy had an briefcase with imaginary documents of known communist sympathizers.
If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday December 21 2021, @05:46PM (11 children)
It's a witch hunt because for over 200 years, political speech was free speech. That is, politicians could say anything, and never be held liable. That is still mostly true today, almost every politician in Washington has been quoted saying something blatantly untrue and dishonest. The oxycontin business is back in the news, right? That whole scandal was kicked off by a doctor making blatantly false claims that less than 1% of oxycontin users would ever become addicted. Oxycontin became a political issue because the Sacklers bought and paid for representation in Washington. Virtually all of Washington, and half or more of the medical community sucked up those claims, and stuck by them long after the claims were proven false.
Aside from the Sacklers, I'm unaware of anyone who has been held liable for making, or repeating claims that oxycontin was non-addictive. Doctors, no matter how famous or how obscure, should all have known better, but they repeated the lies, pushed the drugs, and pocketed the money. Sales reps are a bit more slippery - you expect sales reps to lie to you. Even so, they repeated the lies, again and again, pushing their drugs, never questioning the "facts" that were lining their pockets.
Politics. If Fox and the rest are going to be prosecuted for politically motivated lies, we can expect the same to happen in the future. And, some of those future scenarios may not be so pleasing to you.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday December 21 2021, @06:31PM (10 children)
Political speech is free speech.
Outright lies and defamation is NOT political speech. It is not a political statement to say that Brand XYZ's voting machines are secretly connected to servers on planet Neptune. That is just an outright lie and defamation. Something that SHOULD ALWAYS be able to be the subject of a defamation lawsuit. Now and into the future. And no matter which foot the shoe is on.
If you have a political statement about how much or little we should tax, or spend, or which bridges we should build or not build, that is great! Speak your mind!
The matter of the Sacklers and oxycontin seems like a criminal matter to me and not a purely political matter. Although politicians might have opinions about it. And they should say things about it if they have an opinion. But . . . protip: don't venture into the realm of defamation or nonsense (the Sacklers were controlled by the aliens from andromeda). Clue: by doing so you could be eliminating the ability for them, and their victims to get a fair trial.
I think brazen politically motivated lies that cause substantial material damage to private companies SHOULD be prosecuted. Especially when the lies are so easily fact checked. Yet a supposed "news" outlet gives a stage to this nonsense, without any fact checking.
I would be fine with a defamation lawsuit in that case, no matter which foot the shoe is on. What is compatible with the Goose is also compatible with the Gander without the need of any special adapters or cables.
If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday December 21 2021, @07:06PM (9 children)
You need to dig into past elections. Candidates have resorted to everything, from accusations of child molestation, marital infidelity, crime connections, satan worship - there is no taboo that has not been violated in politics. Political rhetoric is rhetoric, always has been always will be.
https://study.com/academy/lesson/political-mudslinging-definition-examples.html [study.com]
That's just a starter, nothing more, and nothing less.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 21 2021, @07:19PM
Just get fucked you partisan hack. DonnieT has shown everyone how morally bankrupt you are as you continue to support the lies and fascism. Shove your identity politics waaaaay up your butt.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday December 21 2021, @07:27PM (6 children)
An individual can also sue for defamation. A famous person or celebrity has a harder time suing for defamation but it can be done. The person who made the defamatory statement can always use the truth of their statement as an absolute defense.
Dominion is a company. Not running for political office. They make machines. That count votes. That is their business. They don't care about candidates or elections. They care about selling machines because they have a good reputation. Ditto for Smartmatic which has its own defamation lawsuits against some individuals and organizations.
If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday December 21 2021, @08:50PM (5 children)
If you say so. They are also in a position to influence elections and results of elections.
All of that aside, you're not really concerned that Dominion may or may not have been "damaged" by allegations made against them. The alleged damage, for any private citizen in America, is just another drama to distract you from real news. You are far more concerned about making Trump and Republicans look bad. And, that is part of the witch hunt.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday December 22 2021, @02:54PM (4 children)
Anyone who says they have done so should provide evidence of their outlandish claims. And the things they were saying are loony bin crazy ravings that don't even pass the laugh test. If Dominion had influenced the results, then bring the evidence as a defense of the defamation suit -- after all, Truth is an absolute defense against a defamation claim. Should be quite simple really.
Not true.
I would like to see a bunch of lying liars who tell outrageous falsehoods, on a supposed "news" network get some actual justice for the damage they have done. What they have done to these two voting machine companies is an outrageous injustice. You would think so too if they had damaged your business and hard won reputation and contracts.
You just want to see an outrageous injustice go unpunished because your God Emperor and Savior would look
badworse.If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday December 22 2021, @05:20PM (3 children)
Outrageous, outrageous, outrageous. Were you equally outspoken when Hillary Clinton abandoned some special forces people in Africa, and refused to take any action that might have saved them? Never forget, even if she had been correct that our people couldn't get there in time, our people could at least have taken vengeance in a timely manner.
Outrageous, outrageous, outrageous. I agree, there have been a lot of outrageous things done in Washington. Funny though, which ones you seem to get worked up about.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday December 22 2021, @05:37PM (2 children)
Dominion and Smartmatic have nothing ZERO to do with Washington. Or politics. Or politicians. Or Trump. Or Hillary. Or any political party.
This is about a "news" organization spreading lies (not political speech at all). Causing substantial material damage. And the individuals who created and spread those lies.
Saying someone's stand alone machines that don't have internet connections are connected to Italian satellites or to a dead dictator is a lie that is verifiably false at the time that lie was uttered. It would have been easy to fact check that these models of machines have no internet connections. On purpose.
Dominion lays all this out in its lawsuit.
If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday December 22 2021, @05:49PM (1 child)
Whatever, Danny. You're beating a dead horse. You're wrong on most counts.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday December 22 2021, @06:46PM
Voting machines must be right on all counts.
New story:
Dominion Voting Systems slams Patrick Byrne’s bid to dismiss $1.7 billion lawsuit [sltrib.com]
A summary of this individual's lies:
Why should the guy be moving for dismissal? All he has to do is demonstrate that his lies were the truth. Truth of the statements is an absolute defense.
If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday December 22 2021, @12:24AM
Well, just because they have been doing it for hundreds of years [mentalfloss.com], doesn't mean you should keep doing it, not that I trust a voting machine as far as you can throw it, so I don't sympathize. "Defamation/Libel" is just a rich man's game anyway, used to take away the only free thing a person has. Real bullets cost money.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..