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posted by martyb on Monday January 10, @08:14PM   Printer-friendly
from the catch-me-if-you-can dept.

Ford dealers can ban F-150 Lightning customers from reselling trucks to discourage scalpers:

Ford is cracking down on anyone with mercenary intentions when it comes to buying an F-150 Lightning next year. In an effort to stop customers from quickly flipping their electric pickup truck for a hefty profit, Ford delivered a notice to dealerships issuing a new clause for soon-to-be owners. The note was posted on the F-150 Gen 14 forum on Friday. Should a dealer opt in, customers will be required to sign a "No-Sale" provision, banning them from reselling the truck within one year of ownership. The key here is, it's not required, Ford told Roadshow.

"Such a requirement is between a dealer and their customer," a spokesperson said. "It is up to the dealer to decide to use it and to consult with local laws in the state they operate should they choose to do so."

The clause reads, "Purchaser hereby agrees that it will not sell, offer to sell or otherwise transfer ownership interest in the Vehicle prior to the first anniversary of the date hereof. Purchaser further agrees that Seller may seek injunctive relief to prevent the transfer of title of the Vehicle or demand payment from Purchaser of all value received as consideration for the sale or transfer."


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  • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday January 10, @09:13PM (14 children)

    by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Monday January 10, @09:13PM (#1211611) Journal

    I've heard the horror stories. Mostly about things I don't care about, like X-boxes. Or F-150 Lightnings.

    But what about if it were to affect something like Raspberry Pi's?

    Is scalping becoming a national problem that needs to be fixed?

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  • (Score: 2) by EvilSS on Monday January 10, @09:25PM (13 children)

    by EvilSS (1456) Subscriber Badge on Monday January 10, @09:25PM (#1211617)

    But what about if it were to affect something like Raspberry Pi's?

    What if? Tried to buy one lately? Go look at prices on ebay.

    Honestly, outside of jacking up retail prices to make scalping unprofitable, not much. This is a somewhat unique situation, as most of the items you buy don't involve lengthy contacts in order to buy them. You could pass laws but it's a cat and mouse game. Many places have laws on ticket scalping yet it happens everywhere (sometimes by a subsidiary of the very company selling the tickets themselves, although that is somehow legal). You could make the big online marketplaces forbid selling certain hot items for above MSRP but people will find ways around it or find other outlets.

    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 10, @10:44PM (4 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 10, @10:44PM (#1211630)

      But ownerships goes with "First Sale". Once sold it is not thiers. If they are under pricing the truck, that is their problem.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 11, @01:01AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 11, @01:01AM (#1211663)

        The problem is dealers overpricing rather than underpricing.

      • (Score: 2) by EvilSS on Tuesday January 11, @05:40AM (2 children)

        by EvilSS (1456) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday January 11, @05:40AM (#1211717)
        Contracts take precedence over first sale doctrine. This isn’t anything new, even in the automotive world.
        • (Score: 2) by epitaxial on Tuesday January 11, @01:53PM (1 child)

          by epitaxial (3165) on Tuesday January 11, @01:53PM (#1211753)

          Contracts take precedence over laws? I'm curious about your comment.

          • (Score: 2) by EvilSS on Wednesday January 12, @02:42AM

            by EvilSS (1456) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 12, @02:42AM (#1212004)
            Yes, every day and twice on sundays. You can sign away rights under a contract as long as the contract is legal.
    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by stretch611 on Monday January 10, @11:00PM (7 children)

      by stretch611 (6199) Subscriber Badge on Monday January 10, @11:00PM (#1211635)

      But what about if it were to affect something like Raspberry Pi's?

      What if? Tried to buy one lately? Go look at prices on ebay.

      Actually, I noticed that as well... The prices are much higher now. as I looked at buying one the last week of December. (and re-confirmed now)

      The seller I have bought from in the past (an authorized reseller of Raspberry Pis in the US) does not seem to have any stock other than a few Pi Zero 2Ws.. Those seem to be priced correctly by the out of stock Pi4Bs seem to have gone up in price.

      TBH, My *guess* is that they may be close to announcing the Raspberry Pi 5... Possibly they slowed down production on the Pi 4s to have more 5s at the launch date. The Pi Zero 2s were just launched a few months ago which would explain why they are still in stock. For reference, the Pi 4 line was announced in 2019 so it has been almost 3 years without a refresh... The longest stretch between refreshes in the (brief) history of Raspberry Pi was between model 3 and 4 which was just over 3 years. (reference [wikipedia.org])

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      • (Score: 4, Informative) by VLM on Monday January 10, @11:22PM (6 children)

        by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Monday January 10, @11:22PM (#1211645)

        A manufacturer of ham radio kits in Swiss land or maybe its Turkey, was bragging on his support forum last month that due to "the global chip shortage" he bought a two years supply of atmel parts rather than doing JIT. Totally wiped out the supply in his country of that specific chip. All gone, all in his garage now.

        The thing about this is it locks up his capital to the level of "a new truck" for two years. So I get cheaper spectrum analyzer because he can't bid for it because he locked up his money. He can't release new products with the soon to be released STM32 products for 2023 model year because all his money and warehouse space is full of ArduinoShit from 2021. He might be successfully hoarding today, but tomorrow is a great day to be his competitor.

        The other problem with hoarding is a Pi 4 or a atmel part from 2021 is not going to magically become a pi 7 or whatever in 2024 by the time it gets used. So the competitors of hoarders always have the better product. If some moron bought two years worth of 2022 F-150s, why would I pay full price for a used 2022 F-150 in 2024 when he's trying to unload them? Screw that I'll buy a brand new 2024 Toyota its two years newer and "better" He can't unload his hoard.

        Hoards of gold and silver work for market manipulation. Hoards of rapidly depreciating cars trucks and chips, not so much.

        Anyone want a limited edition 74LS00 or a LM741 chip? F no you say? OK then hoarding them wouldn't have worked out so well.

        • (Score: 2) by krishnoid on Tuesday January 11, @02:18AM

          by krishnoid (1156) on Tuesday January 11, @02:18AM (#1211682)

          Aye, technology truly be an evergreen, fickle mistress.

          Anyone want a limited edition 74LS00 or a LM741 chip? F no you say? OK then hoarding them wouldn't have worked out so well.

          It's all in how you market it [smbc-comics.com].

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 11, @03:55AM (4 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 11, @03:55AM (#1211695)

          > A manufacturer of ham radio kits in Swiss land or maybe its Turkey

          I think I can guess who...

          But his entire market is Bourgeois Westerners, who have priority over everyone else for every resource on the planet (including the planet).

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday January 11, @05:49AM (3 children)

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday January 11, @05:49AM (#1211719) Journal

            But his entire market is Bourgeois Westerners, who have priority over everyone else for every resource on the planet (including the planet).

            Everyone else would need those chips for what? At some point, surely that narrative gets old to you.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 11, @01:08PM (2 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 11, @01:08PM (#1211745)

              You should re-read the part in the previous message about how a whole country's electronics nerds were screwed-over by single guy selling a trinket to Burgerlandians.

              • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday January 11, @01:47PM

                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday January 11, @01:47PM (#1211750) Journal
                Ok, did it again and got nothing more. You have a serious point to make here?
              • (Score: 2) by VLM on Tuesday January 11, @09:11PM

                by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday January 11, @09:11PM (#1211920)

                whole country's electronics nerds

                Whoa now its 2010 era ArduinoShit for older products using older chips, its not that big of a deal.

                But yeah he did F over an entire country and bragged about it on his support forum. Nobody in that whole country can get cutting edge 2010 ArduinoShit.