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We've previously discussed ( https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/12/11/1847236 ) how it becomes impossible to reverse the polarization of a community once their differences become too great, and how that plays out both here at SN and in the wider world. Science Blog has a piece ( https://scienceblog.com/527745/computer-model-seeks-to-explain-the-spread-of-misinformation-and-suggest-counter-measures/ ) about a PLOS paper titled "Cognitive cascades: How to model (and potentially counter) the spread of fake news" ( https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0261811 ) which uses an interesting computer model to explore how this actually happens.
The model demonstrated that if the new information is too much at odds with a person's existing belief, it will be ignored. Furthermore, if that belief is connected with the person's identity, their current belief will be strengthened as a defense against cognitive dissonance. Interestingly, though, a succession of new information that gradually nudge the person to adjust their beliefs can, over time, cause the person to adopt a belief that is very different from the one they started with. This sounds like how psy-ops manipulate targets to accept extreme views.
What was the gradual change of ideas that have led national political parties to be ever more different from one another, and who fed them those messages?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 16 2022, @10:30AM (24 children)
Right now there is zero filter between state/corporate level propaganda and the barely literate mouthbreathing
Trumpvoters. Like weeds and adverts the goal is to grab attention before flaming out due to lack of substance. That's where we are - the world is being innoculated to propaganda by mass exposure. Yes, we dweebs are probably 5 years ahead of the lumped mass of humanity and disable ads so that's why the rest of them look so retarted to us.(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 16 2022, @12:40PM
baby steps psy-ops is entirely indisernable from marketing. no doubt the troll mod here is entrely for the cancelled name calling in the first sentence. otherwise a very relevant point made.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 16 2022, @06:27PM (4 children)
Trump was controlled opposition installed by the same enemies of the nation that control the Shabbos Goy husk puppet Biden.
(Score: 3, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 16 2022, @07:06PM (3 children)
Oy oy, if it's not the Russians, it's the J*ws. Or the Muslims. Or Mexicans, Chinks, liberals, Satanists, sheeple, angry blacks, the list of imaginary enemies is endless.
(Score: 3, Informative) by hendrikboom on Monday January 17 2022, @01:20AM
"We have met the enemy and he is us."
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 17 2022, @08:48PM (1 child)
It's funny how when Negroids commit violent crimes against everyone else they are called "angry", as if their crimes are justified somehow. You're just brainwashed by the Jew, dumb slave.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 19 2022, @02:37AM
Your obsession with black and jewish people indicates that you have a tiny dick. Nothing wrong with that, until you let your insecurities get the best of you and start being a racist little nazi lover that targets groups known for their larger penises. So many problems in the world because some pathetic dipshits can't get over their own issues.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Sunday January 16 2022, @08:44PM (16 children)
I am a Trump voter. I voted for him as a change agent. It worked. His first act in office was to kill the Trans-Pacific Partnership, a sweeping trade agreement so sweeping and powerful and secret that not even members of Congress were allowed to know what was in it before being asked to vote on it. That saved manufacturing in America, and the middle class with it. I was happy with that, because it was the first and only significant campaign promise in my lifetime that a president has carried through on. So I voted for him a second time.
Do I strike you as a barely literate mouthbreather?
As far as corporate/state propaganda go, that's 100% in the same direction, and that direction almost completely goes against your "Trump" voters. Corporations and government are championing BLM, cancel culture, transgender rights (despite transgenders being a vanishingly small hundredth of a percent of the world population), and ever other plank in the Woke platform. So, yes, there is massive misinformation going on right now and it's not Trump voters are doing it, because they control none of the levers of information promulgation in the world; government, corporations, the media, Hollywood, and even social media titans are doing everything in lockstep they can to silence and censor wrongthink.
It's a shame the rest of your post, which had some merit, was lost because you led with attacks. I will submit for your consideration that doing what you did is counterproductive to countering discursive fragmentation, because you can see how I responded in kind, can't you?
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 16 2022, @09:57PM (1 child)
> Do I strike you as a barely literate mouthbreather?
In this case yes. My reference (which may be flawed?) is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Pacific_Partnership [wikipedia.org]
Per that Wiki page the TPP included a number of countries,but not China. Since China is where the vast majority of USA manufacturing went (via the purchasing department at Walmart, Amazon etc), your claim that dumping the TPP:
> That saved manufacturing in America, and the middle class with it.
...looks pretty idiotic to me.
Canada, Japan and Mexico were the big established manufacturing countries in the TPP and there are/were already other trade agreements with them. Singapore & Vietnam are a couple of up-and-comers, not sure if we had any prior agreements with them, but I've seen plenty of goods from both so they must have been taking some business away from China?
Why not have free trade among our friends and do a little bit to try and control the 800 pound panda (China) in the room?
(Score: 3, Interesting) by HammeredGlass on Monday January 17 2022, @01:13AM
Robert Lighthizer's efforts were geared towards eliminating the need for China. It didn't matter that China wasn't included in the TPP. And you forgot about South Korea and the UK. The three you mentioned and the two you forgot was all the U.S. needed as they represented a majority of the American trade portfolio. The U.S. became a net exporter of all energy commodities 3 years ago and it set us up for controlling the world. Steel, aluminum, and automobiles, were not included anywhere in the TPP, as they were reserved as leveraging tools during the trade negotiations on a per country basis. The other great action of these negotiations that did involve China is the secondary currency market where the U.S. Dollar is used as a conversion transfer tool from corporations and countries for 95% of the world. Obama set it up during the Iran deal to use that market to sanction corporations from providing Iran with banned goods. The Trump administration took that tool and started to use against errant countries like China. The previous administration was set to use that tool to begin to take China out of the global market for it's many sins against the world, not the least of which were currency manipulation and copyright/IP theft.
Then covid fucked all those done deals in the nose.
(Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 16 2022, @10:55PM (1 child)
Took you long enough to admit it, good to know you're a liar with little backbone to stand behind your own choices. Now, did you vote for him 2x or just the first time?
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 16 2022, @11:37PM
> Now, did you vote for him 2x or just the first time?
Answered in Phoenix's original post:
> > So I voted for him a second time.
He doubled down, I don't know anyone else that did that.
Watching Trump on Howard Stern's show, many years ago, told me everything I needed to know about Trump. He's out for himself and no one else. With the possible exception of his kids(?), although I'm not sure about that. I had no respect for him then, and nothing changed since then except more damning details.
(Score: -1, Troll) by aristarchus on Sunday January 16 2022, @11:01PM (10 children)
I, as well, vote "yes". It's a shame, Phoenix, you used to be a rational person. Now you are just a divisive old fart.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 17 2022, @12:33AM (2 children)
But As A rEaL LiBeRaL his viewpoint is invaluable!!/s
(Score: -1, Troll) by aristarchus on Monday January 17 2022, @02:12AM (1 child)
Are you suggesting that Phoenix666 is actually hemo? I thought sockpuppetry was forbidden!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 17 2022, @10:49AM
Obviously not. You're still here after all.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 17 2022, @02:14AM (6 children)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 17 2022, @02:31AM
He has been doing the same song and dance for years. Best to ignore him.
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by aristarchus on Monday January 17 2022, @06:20AM (4 children)
But, lo! I am not the one voting for Trump, twice! And admitting it on a public forum! Trump is an ignorant moron, like one of his other admirers here. He cannot, or will not, read. He pronounced the Himalayan nations as "Nipple" and "Button". He recommended the Lysol up the alimentary canal treatement for Covid-19. And Phoenix cannot understand why he should be cancelled for support of such idiocy? Twice? You can only stick it to the libs, or overthrow the Constitution in an insurgency of stupid insurrectionism, so many times before it becomes obvious you are not to be trusted. Right, khallow?
It is my rationality that causes division from the insanity of Trumps supporters, and you need to decide which side you are on.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 17 2022, @10:54AM (3 children)
I'm not in the USA, but when the alternatives were Killary and Sleepy Old Joe, I'd have voted for Trump too.
And as Phoenix said, killing the TPP was a major weight on the good side of the scales.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 17 2022, @12:42PM
haha the other 'choices' were party no 2.
always vote 3rd party for the nations sake.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 17 2022, @11:30PM (1 child)
We get it, trumpers would vote for trump, seems a bit obvious dontcha think? So what great nation do you come from then?
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 18 2022, @01:11AM
You obviously don't "get it". Trump won in 2016 because Hillary was so bad a candidate, not because he was a great one. Four years later you almost did it again by offering a senile old political whore as the candidate.
When are the Democrats going to put forward a candidate whose main argument is something other than "at least I'm not as bad as the other guy" ?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 17 2022, @01:58AM
More than a vanishingly small hundredth of a percent of the world population are trans, but the number is inflated by transtrenders and brainwashed non-binary types. They also tend to off themselves.
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 16 2022, @09:58PM
You might want to actually check on which news agencies are filled with former intelligence agency big-wigs:
https://greenwald.substack.com/p/nbc-news-uses-ex-fbi-official-frank [substack.com]