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Antonia Molloy reports at The Independent that scientists at the University of Montreal wanted to find out what exactly constitutes an atypical sexual fantasy or paraphilia and set out to define sexual deviation by grouping sexual fantasies according to how widespread they are. For example, dreaming about sleeping with two women is common, while fantasizing about having sex with an animal is not. “Clinically, we know what pathological sexual fantasies are: they involve non-consenting partners, they induce pain, or they are absolutely necessary in deriving satisfaction. But apart from that, what exactly are abnormal or atypical fantasies?” The scientists asked 1,517 Quebec adults (799 men and 718 women) to rank 55 different sexual fantasies, as well as to describe their own favorite fantasy in detail. Of this sample, 85.1 per cent were heterosexual, 3.6 per cent were homosexual and the remainder identified as neither of these. Overall, it was found that men had more fantasies than women and they also described these more vividly.
The number and taxonomy of paraphilias is under debate; one source lists as many as 549 types of paraphilias. The study found that thirty sexual fantasies were common for one or both genders. A significant proportion of women (30 per cent to 60 per cent) had fantasies involving elements of submission – but many also specified that they never wanted these to come true. By contrast, the majority of men did want their fantasies to become reality. One theory of sexual fantasies is that our fantasies are psychological mechanisms for coping with anxiety. "Our main objective was to specify norms in sexual fantasies, an essential step in defining pathologies," says Christian Joyal, lead author of the study. "And as we suspected, there are a lot more common fantasies than atypical fantasies."
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Ethanol-fueled on Friday November 07 2014, @02:24PM
A lot of those so-called "atypical" fantasies are not atypical at all, people probably just don't want to admit that they're into rape or animals.
Rape was how everything got laid before men made rape a property-crime in the Middle-Ages. In fact, one could argue that the only abnormal sexual hang-up is asexualism.
Humans are, underneath it all, still animals. And if you think for a second that you're somehow "better" than the other species, take a look at the world around you -- wars, famine, reckless breeding, hoarding, pack behavior; and of course rape.
Look at the maniacal glee on a baby's face when he spits all over you. That is because that baby has not yet learned to hide his animalistic behavior under the superficial cover of so-called "social norms." Humans at their worse commit "sin" no better or worse than any muskrat killing his reproductive competition.
(Score: 2) by GreatAuntAnesthesia on Friday November 07 2014, @02:34PM
> A lot of those so-called "atypical" fantasies are not atypical at all, people probably just don't want to admit that they're into rape or animals.
That's the trouble with studies like this: You have to either do it non-anonymously in the hope that it will encourage people to take it seriously, but at the cost of honesty, or do it anonymously and sort through lots of "robe and wizard hat" prank answers.
> That is because that baby has not yet learned to hide his animalistic behavior under the superficial cover of so-called "social norms."
More likely, the baby is just responding to the face you just pulled. Babies have not yet developed empathy, and therefore can't do anything maliciously.
(Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Friday November 07 2014, @03:52PM
" More likely, the baby is just responding to the face you just pulled. Babies have not yet developed empathy, and therefore can't do anything maliciously. "
Some people(sociopaths, politicians, whatever you want to call 'em) with perfectly normal upbringings don't develop emphathy even in adulthood -- to them, everything is about risk and reward. Others are just brutal. Others are not. But that we have opposable thumbs and a prefrontal cortex doesn't make us somehow "above" the other species, it just makes us more refined beasts still ultimately governed by primal needs and urges.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 07 2014, @04:35PM
I have no constructive comment to make, but I'd just like to point out that three distinct styles of quoting have been used over the span of only four posts in this subthread.
I think that's kind of cool.
(Score: 2) by Common Joe on Saturday November 08 2014, @06:34AM
I think there are a tremendous amount of truth in both of these statements.
In the last link provided in the summary, it defines "sex with a child or animal" as a rare fantasy. I call that into question. The costumes for Halloween are ridiculously sexualized for not only women [happyjar.com] (ok to click; safe for work), but girls as well. I tend to avoid marching into malls on a Friday or Saturday night, but on the few occasions I've gone, I saw obviously underage girls wearing T-shirts with Playboy emblems on them. Ten years ago, the local rock radio station had a countdown as to when the Olsen twins would hit 18. The more recent version of that was seeing the comments fly about Emma Watson.
When searching for nude pictures on the Internet, most photos show women totally bare "down there" (in addition to smooth legs and shaved under the arms) -- which is suspiciously like a kid. In my personal searches, it seems to be a bit more difficult to find natural pictures of women with hair. It's certainly difficult to find pictures of women without a boob job. Very few people enjoy seeing women with wrinkles or a certain amount of natural sagging. As a society, we don't want our girls ever grow up.
As for animals, finding that stuff is pretty rare. (I don't go searching for them, but I do know they don't pop up on the home page of porn video sites.) I think it's rare because it's illegal, but there seem to be an awful lot of jokes about sex and animals in our society. The fascination is definitely there. My take? If people talk a lot about a subject, even if it is supposedly false, then there is usually an element of truth buried in there... or in this case, a lot of people talk about this subject for it being supposedly rare.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Thexalon on Friday November 07 2014, @03:58PM
There's not a shred of evidence for that sentence, and plenty of evidence against it:
1. Our nearest relatives among animals, the great apes, get laid all the time with signals of consent between both partners.
2. The first documented evidence of consensual sex can be found in Sumeria, shortly after writing was invented. There's plenty of it documented to be going on in Egypt, Greece, Rome, China, India, and most other ancient societies.
3. There are Biblical laws about rape, so the first rape laws definitely pre-date the Middle Ages.
4. There were isolated societies like Tahiti that had a free-love culture (why do you think it was such a popular stop for sailors?) that developed quite independently of any laws made by European men in the Middle Ages. There is also clear historical evidence of consensual family arrangements among American First Nations.
The idea that the first homo sapiens marriage was anything like what was depicted in History of the World Part I is simply wrong.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 07 2014, @03:58PM
"And if you think for a second that you're somehow "better" than the other species"
We have gone to the moon, harnessed the power of nuclear fission, eradicated smallpox, developed antibiotics, etc.
Point out another species that has accomplished as much as us.
(Score: 3, Funny) by GreatAuntAnesthesia on Friday November 07 2014, @04:07PM
We have gone to the moon, harnessed the power of nuclear fission, eradicated smallpox, developed antibiotics, etc.
Don't forget the wheel, New York, wars and so on. Oh, and digital watches...
(Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Friday November 07 2014, @05:18PM
Digital watches are pretty cool.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 1) by art guerrilla on Friday November 07 2014, @05:41PM
i will only quote this old chestnut: movement is not achievement...
(Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Friday November 07 2014, @08:33PM
That is only glorified tool use and figuring shit out over generations. We're glorified versions of every simian or bird that knows how to use sticks to hunt for insects.
And about that nuclear fission, the delivery may have been highly technical but the original primary purpose was still the killing of enemies. I rest my case. You're forgetting that much of our technical progress has been spearheaded by maintaining superiority over everybody else, which is pretty tribal if you ask me.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 07 2014, @09:15PM
So what metrics do you judge species by such that humans are not ahead of every other species?
(Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Friday November 07 2014, @09:45PM
You're missing the point. We are ahead of other species in many ways, but we are still animals and subject to our primitive urges. What I am trying to say is that is it ridiculous to label certain human behavior "abnormal" or "unnatural" while it occurs regularly in our species and has been extensively discussed and documented throughout history.
(Score: 2) by Blackmoore on Friday November 07 2014, @10:18PM
The fact that we keep eliminating other species from existence seems to reinforce your point.