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DECISION – 'aristarchus':
Introduction:
Actions have consequences. This is not a matter of free speech or censorship.
Doxing "Doxing or doxxing is the act of publicly revealing previously private personal information about an individual or organization, usually via the internet." This is the definition upon which we are basing this decision. Legally, the term does not appear to be well-defined in the US but doxing is also covered by laws relating to harassment, threats, and abuse. Elsewhere in the world, the definitions are sometimes more clearly defined but might cover a broader interpretation than the US definitions. Which interpretation is applicable could depend on the location of the perpetrator.
Background:
We first noticed that something was amiss in late 2020. Submissions from 'aristarchus' would contain certain words, phrases and names which were apparently unconnected with the rest of the content. We were unable to understand their significance at that time, but they would be meaningful to the intended victim. (Story submissions by 'aristarchus' often contain additional material that he has inserted himself.) In almost all cases we removed them prior to posting the submission as a story because they had no bearing on the rest of the submission.
In late 2021 the doxing became more blatant both in comments that were made to stories and as well as on IRC. We also contacted the victim (by now it was obvious to us who it was) who responded and explained what had been published, where and when. We also discovered additional material that had not been seen by the victim. He had been suffering this abuse for a considerable time.
Please Note:
This investigation is not something that has been carried out purely on a whim by the admins on this site. During it we have consulted with and taken advice from a representative of the board of directors. (As an aside, SoylentNews PBC has never been 'run' by 'TheMightyBuzzard' or any of the current admin staff whose names you know well.) This is a serious matter and the investigation was conducted with utmost discretion by a very small team.
To ensure that 'aristarchus' is aware of this Decision he will receive an Admin-to-User message and an email to the address associated with his username drawing his attention to it.
Publishing Personal Information:
It is now apparent that 'aristarchus' has doxed at least one person in our community, and possibly others who may have left the site rather than suffer the harassment. This is not a single act, but has taken place repeatedly over a significant period of time.
'aristarchus' has published the victim's full name, where the victim lives, and the victim's employer. Presumably he believes this information to be accurate. We have seen additional comments that contain threats and state very personal information, such that posting them here would likely do further damage. We are trying to be discreet. If it were you, would you want us to air all the information that has been revealed? This action might also have placed other members of the victim's family at risk from abuse or embarrassment.
It is obvious that 'aristarchus' has conducted research away from this site. SoylentNews PBC does not hold such information nor has it been ever been declared in any comments.
We can only guess at the true reason behind these disclosures: at the very least it appears to be a smear campaign.
What We Have Done So Far:
- The victim has a full copy of all the evidence that we have been able to trace to date. The evidence was all publicly accessible. We are not aware of a compromise of any other community members' information. We are not going to indicate where this information might be found.
- We have made a separate backup of the database to ensure that evidence should not be lost.
- We have removed personal information from database comments and IRC logs where possible.
- It is entirely for the victim to decide whether to seek legal redress in this matter.
Options:
There are 2 options open to us.
(1) Permanent Ban
- 'aristarchus' will face a full and permanent ban from this community.
- His account(s) will be completely disabled.
- Any further posting he may make to the site will be treated as Spam.
(2) Temporary Ban
- 'aristarchus' will face a temporary ban of 3 months where his account(s) will be disabled. He will be able to restore his 'aristarchus' account when his ban ends. His conduct during this time will be taken into consideration before his account is reactivated.
- During the ban 'aristarchus' may still post on the site as an 'Anonymous Coward', with all the limitations that are associated with that i.e. no journal, no ability to moderate, etc. Whether he wishes to make his identity known in his AC posts is entirely up to him.
- During and subsequent to the ban he is to act as we would expect any other member of this community to act. He is not to disrupt other discussions nor is he to continue to complain about his treatment. The ban is entirely a consequence of his own actions. We will not discuss this matter publicly. If he has complaints he may contact us via email as usual.
- He is to refrain immediately and completely from harassing other members of this community.
- Any serious future abuses by 'aristarchus' can result in a permanent ban being imposed without further warning.
We acknowledge that 'aristarchus' regularly makes insightful and interesting observations and we recognize that he has many supporters on this site. That is why we have offered the option of a conditional Temporary ban.
Action/Conclusion:
'aristarchus' must now decide which ban he wishes to accept. This is not negotiable – there are no other options open to him. If he does not respond either by commenting here or by email within 48 hours of the release of this Decision then we will assume that he has chosen the Temporary Ban and he is bound by the conditions stated within it. He may elect to change to a Permanent ban at any time.
For legal reasons we do not intend to comment further. The community can now see why several of the site admins have been putting in long working days, sometimes in excess of 12 hours since just before Christmas. We are exhausted and need to have a period of normal activity so that we can recover. We urge the community to be circumspect and restrained in the discussions to this Decision – there is little to be gained from inflaming the current situation any further. We ask you not to speculate about the identity of the victim.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 03 2022, @04:00PM (16 children)
Another free speech absolutist here, who has been on the sharp end of some rather nasty people.
In my view, aristarchus can say what he wants wherever he finds a host for his stupidities and insanities (and oh lordy have those been on display for a while now) but these games have a way of ending when mister I'm-not-touching-yooouuuu gets an answer along the lines of: "The muzzle of my shotgun ain't touching you either, but it sure is pointed your way." Speech can have consequences.
As far as Soylent, they aren't obliged to be a vehicle for his stupid insanity, and he's clearly broken the rules. He can suck it up, and whatever evidence they have can properly go to authorities as part of a case of stalking, intimidation or whatever.
But he can keep crowing, like the rooster that doesn't know the farmer's wife has a sharp knife and a hankering for chicken soup.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 03 2022, @10:26PM (15 children)
"Another free speech absolutist here"
.......
"As far as Soylent, they aren't obliged to be a vehicle for his stupid insanity, and he's clearly broken the rules. He can suck it up"
mmHmmmmmmm #Curious #BrainsNotExploding?
(Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 04 2022, @12:35AM (14 children)
Aristarchus can express whatever demented views the voices in his head tell him at any given time. The same applies to Hazuki, APK, Ethanol_Fueled, kurenai.tsubasa and gewg_.
That places zero obligation on anyone else to support, promulgate, record or even pay any attention to them.
Aristarchus does not own soylentnews, either wholly or in part. Ergo, he has no power requiring soylentnews to become his own little masturbatory platform. In fact, inasmuch as he has broken the established rules of those who do run the place, he can fully expect soylentnews to tell him to take a flying fuck at a rolling lifesaver.
None of the above affects his freedom of speech. He can write whatever he wants with his urine in snow, and the people who run soylentnews can restrict what they run to what they please. Maybe he can join Azuma on a street corner somewhere, wearing sandwich boards and screaming about the raelians polluting everybody's precious bodily fluids with fluoride or whatever it is that creams their jeans.
Free speech doesn't mean forcing others to be your pet megaphone. If you think that fact should cause any brains to explode, the one with a problem is you.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 04 2022, @04:13AM (1 child)
If he does, he best tie a toothpick across his ass, so he doesn't fall in.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 04 2022, @04:21PM
Kudos! Thanks for a Friday giggle.
You win an internet point.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 04 2022, @06:09AM (3 children)
While I generally agree, I'm going to make a small caveat: When the public forum is effectively (or actually) privately owned then, as in any monopoly position, the forum owner's rights are justly limited. That's why common carrier laws apply to communications systems and not just transportation. SN obviously doesn't meet that requirement, but the point stands.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 04 2022, @04:09PM (1 child)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 04 2022, @07:31PM
I do realize that most platforms aren't common carrier. As I said, my caveat applies to monopolies.
The problem is that communities need to moderate or they get overrun by spammers, but that opens them up to liability for any content they do allow, forcing them to stifle free speech. That's why laws like Section 230 are required. There needs to be a middle ground.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 04 2022, @04:24PM
Sure, monopoly/monopsony situations change the power dynamic, but that's in no way relevant to soylentnews. Let aristarchus go to the green site and mess up his classical grammar there. No difference to the soylents.
Or, to put it another way: we will have a lot of warning before soylentnews even becomes a major mover in public forum/news aggregation, and we're not close.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Friday February 04 2022, @01:09PM (7 children)
De-platforming and other expressions of cancel culture absolutely do violate freedom of speech. If you grant a man freedom of the press, and then take away his computer, his typewriter, his paper and pencil, lock him inside his house, and tie his hands, then you have most certainly taken away his freedom of press.
It's the reason freedom of speech and our other human rights are called "rights," and not, "minor legal impediments to oppression."
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 04 2022, @04:14PM
I would have just yanked the account - not even a message to ari saying so, because he could weaponize it.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 04 2022, @04:28PM
Not so fast.
Private platforms can enjoy all the editorial control they want, otherwise you're imposing forced speech on them.
If you silence all his avenues including using his own property, there's a problem.
If you remove public goods from his access for the purpose (such as publically funded universities) then there's a problem as well.
None of this even resembles aristarchus's situation.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Immerman on Friday February 04 2022, @05:13PM (3 children)
Freedom of the press has only ever applied to those who own a printing press.
If you want to borrow someone else's press (as we all do here), then you need to abide by whatever rules they offer, or find another press. You have no right to force your local newspaper to spread your speech for you.
If you want to host your own website, you can say whatever you want there (provided the ISP renting you access to their internet connection doesn't object.).
Similarly, freedom of speech lets you stand on a street corner saying whatever you want (within certain limits). But it doesn't entitle you to a bullhorn. Nor does it mean you can do so while you're in my church, bar, etc., where I'm free to demand that you leave.
There's certainly a major conflict when the majority(?) of public discourse is taking place in private venues that may have their own agenda to discretely promote or suppress particular viewpoints, or even just promote controversy and fermongering to increase engagement. And we probably need to create some new laws on the topic if we want to avoid tearing our society apart. But there's currently no legal basis to do so.
Personally I'm in favor of classifying any social media site that engages in any sort of promotion or suppression of posts, algorithmically or otherwise, as a publisher of those posts - thus revoking Section 230 protections from the likes of Facebook and others that decide on ordering and distribution of users posts. Likely destroying their existing business model under a tidal wave of legal harassment, and probably forcing them to become something far more akin to a BBS with a "friends" filter, that simply displays all the posts from all your "friends" in the order they were posted so they could get back under the shelter of 230, if they don't close their doors entirely.
But a private forum like this, where posts are ordered in a simple structured chronology (might have to disable "highest rated first" - I think we have that option?). I don't see that things can be much improved. They couldn't long survive the legal harassment they would be likely to face as a publisher, and few people worth talking to want to hang out at a bar where the bouncers won't "invite" the worst creeps and assholes to leave. And the assholes and creeps change from bar to bar - If I started running my mouth off in a neo-Nazi bar I'd fully expect to be "asked" to leave, by the patrons if not the bouncers. I may think they're some of the lowest scum our species has to offer, but they've still have every right to congregate with each other in peace. But only in the in public, and in the places they are welcomed - not in *my* bar.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Saturday February 05 2022, @03:33PM (2 children)
If that is so, then blacks, Jews, and women have no legal leg to stand on when trying to join country clubs constituted for white men only. The phone company, whose network they own, is under no obligation to allow you to call whomever you want if they decide they don't like you. The cloud computing service you pay can decide to de-platform you if they don't like you.
It doesn't take a whole lot of extrapolation of that argument before every freedom is completely and definitively extinguished.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 05 2022, @04:35PM
Try again.
The question at hand is different in various cases. Clubs with commercial significance, for example, were crowbarred open once they reached a certain size (I think a NY court set the size at 50 members? Might have been 10 - it's been decades). The phone companies operate under common carrier rules, which don't apply to (for example) newspapers. And cloud computing services already do that, so here we are.
If the problem that you're trying to solve is the one of forced speech, then ownership is relevant but common carriers aren't in that position, country clubs aren't in that position, and cloud services aren't in that position so all your analogies need work. The closest approximation might be the cloud service - but they already exercise discretion on their clients. The next closest might be freedom of (dis)association in the case of clubs, but where those clubs are in a position of what amounts to monopoly social power, they find their rules rewritten.
There's a lot of legal landscape to review.
(Score: 2) by Immerman on Saturday February 05 2022, @05:05PM
Your freedom is always in conflict with that of those around you - often expressed as "your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins." The art of maintaining a free society is finding a balance between the two.
>If that is so, then blacks, Jews, and women have no legal leg to stand on when trying to join country clubs constituted for white men only.
No, because we have decided as a society that rectifying the systemic unjust treatment of certain groups (women, minorities, religious groups, handicapped, etc.) outweighs your right to refuse them service on those grounds.
>The phone company, whose network they own, is under no obligation to allow you to call whomever you want if they decide they don't like you.
I believe telecoms do have some legal obligations we put in place due to the historic abuses of their monopoly position. But beyond those, yep - they're free to offer you, or not, whatever services they choose. And you're free to buy them as offered or find another provider.
>The cloud computing service you pay can decide to de-platform you if they don't like you.
Absolutely, so long as they dislike you for reasons other than being a member of a protected class.
I'm free to refuse to work for you because I don't like the color of your hair, the way you smell, or your attitude. Just not because you're black, a woman, etc.
At least until some systemic abuses of that freedom get bad enough to justify us collectively removing my rights to expand yours.
If you can make a good case that Group X is suffering systemic injustice across society, then you have grounds to argue for expanding their rights at the expense of everyone else. Without that justification, you're just saying the assholes should be allowed to run wild and everyone else just has to put up with them. That's not freedom - that's tyranny of the assholes.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Sunday February 13 2022, @04:21PM
And that feature-creep toward enforced silence is why I too am a free speech absolutist.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.