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Joey Hess has apparently left Debian after 18 years, stating that the Debian Constitution is leading Debian in "very unhealthy directions".
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 08 2014, @02:30PM
The Debian project has been infected with two diseases: systemd, and the people who support it.
Once a Linux distro is infected in such a way, there is no saving it. It will, I'm sad to say, perish.
But this isn't all bad. This is leading to a resurgence for FreeBSD, which many serious ex-Debian users have moved to already, or are moving to now or in the near future.
If Debian dying means that FreeBSD, which is much more immune to systemd and its supporters, thrives, then it's worth it in the end.
It really is just natural selection killing off the weak and unworthy, while letting the strong and robust excel.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 08 2014, @03:06PM
Better yet, excise systemd and its supporters and let the Debian project live. Systemd proponents can go off and fork their own Debian derivative. Then in a few years time, when systemd fails, there will be no harm done to the main project. If it had been at all modular, pieces of systemd could be saved, but it's as modular as a good stew.
(Score: 2) by choose another one on Saturday November 08 2014, @04:51PM
> Better yet, excise systemd and its supporters and let the Debian project live.
Since it seems it was the devs and tech ctte. voting to support systemd that lead to all this, you seem to be suggesting losing the majority of the project developers will be good for the project. Nice theory, haven't ever seen it work that way in practice...
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Saturday November 08 2014, @11:54PM
It's my understanding that the vote was taken by a small subcommittee that didn't rightfully have the power to make the decision, but doing it the right (legal? constitutional?) way would have taken over a year, and there was a push to release Jessie with systemd in place.
Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 09 2014, @04:53AM
If I didn't know you were talking about Debian, you pretty much summed up how the Pluto being demoted as a planet by the IAU "vote" went down.
(Score: 2) by VLM on Sunday November 09 2014, @12:34PM
The TC has the "right" to make interpretations about technical standards.
99% of them are excruciatingly boring yet important. This decision is only interesting because everybody hates systemd but the paid astroturfers and the "desktop people".
Most of the decisions are like a recent-ish one along the lines of can a package in main "recommend" (or something like that) several packages, one of which is in non-free, while not getting kicked into the contrib ghetto for mentioning non-free but not depending on it.
Systemd was rammed down our unwilling throats as a "technical decision" which is kind of stretching the definition.
You are correct, in that its a non-dogfood eating desktop coup, which should have gone to vote.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 08 2014, @03:27PM
Funny, as someone who uses systemd and likes it, this is exactly how I see systemd haters. :-)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 08 2014, @04:52PM
So before proclaiming systemd the ubermensch I guess you have tried out the alternative inits in Voidlinux, BLFS, calculate...?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 08 2014, @07:13PM
No, because I don't see a reason to, much as I don't see a reason to try out MINIX (or other kernels). The reason I don't is because I have informed myself about the design rationale behind systemd and it's ecosystem, as well as the counterarguments provided by it's detractors, and the design rationale behind a few (admittedly not all) of the alternative systems, and as per my own criteria I found the final balance to be well in favor of systemd, despite the compromises it involves, much as I find the balance in favor of Linux, despite the compromises it, too, involves.
Whether my criteria matches reality or not will be settled by reality itself, not by a flame fest on a forum, which is why I don't participate much in discussions.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 08 2014, @10:35PM
Bet you support women's rights too and oppose men marrying young female children.
IE; you're an anti-old-testament faggot.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 08 2014, @11:24PM
You remind me a lot of someone I used to know.
He's one of those people who does stuff because those things are awesome, and if they weren't awesome he wouldn't do them and he's awesome by extension, because he's done these things that make him awesome.
Like the time he diagnosed my brain injury as "using the computer too much." When I told him that he was wrong and I had a clinical diagnosis to prove it he told me he had asked a doctor.
This is how you sound.