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Joey Hess Quits Debian

posted by LaminatorX on Saturday November 08 2014, @11:17AM   Printer-friendly
from the resignationd dept.

An Anonymous Coward writes:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/11/msg00174.html

Joey Hess has apparently left Debian after 18 years, stating that the Debian Constitution is leading Debian in "very unhealthy directions".

 
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  • (Score: 2) by darkfeline on Saturday November 08 2014, @05:33PM

    by darkfeline (1030) on Saturday November 08 2014, @05:33PM (#114071) Homepage

    [X] systemd is a disease
    [_] LENNART POETTERING!
    [X] Debian betrayed us
    [_] UNIX philosophy
    [_] monolithic == bad!!!

    Well, we're getting somewhere, I guess. Time to post my "pro"-systemd questions for the day:

    > I don't want to use systemd for technical reasons

    Reasonable enough.

    > I can't switch back to sysvinit

    Wait, why?

    > Even though SysVinit is still supported by many distros, I can't use it because many things depend on systemd

    First, which things? and second, that's a problem with the devs of those other things, not systemd. Please stop shifting blame and dehumanizing systemd.

    > Gnome depends on systemd

    Why are you running Gnome on a server? I suppose you could be an anti-systemd desktop user, but then the technical reasons argument weakens considerably; desktop users shouldn't need to care about the init system, thanks to DEs, and most rational "anti"-systemd proponents are only arguing for loss of control on servers, recognizing systemd's benefits for desktop use.

    > Systemd is being forced onto us

    Is Lennart making the rounds and installing systemd on everyone's machines? No? Then keep running your SysVinit installation. Yes you miss out on long term support, but that was provided by the goodwill of the community and you really have no right to demand the community to support your whims and preferences.

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  • (Score: 2) by CRCulver on Saturday November 08 2014, @05:37PM

    by CRCulver (4390) on Saturday November 08 2014, @05:37PM (#114073) Homepage

    > I can't switch back to sysvinit

    Wait, why?

    Here's why. [debian.org] Months have gone by and that bug is still there. Once systemd is on a Debian system, you're stuck with it.

    • (Score: 2) by darkfeline on Saturday November 08 2014, @10:03PM

      by darkfeline (1030) on Saturday November 08 2014, @10:03PM (#114118) Homepage

      I was unaware of this, but even so, this is clearly a Debian problem and not an issue with systemd. Last I checked, for example, Arch is fairly easy to switch over to, e.g., OpenRC.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 09 2014, @10:25AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 09 2014, @10:25AM (#114238)

    Why are you running Gnome on a server?

    This is a stupid assumption amigo...