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War in Europe

Journal by turgid

I'm worried, What happened to the lessons of the last century? I had a grandmother who lived through both world wars and lived to own and use a smartphone.

Much important history has faded from living memory. We mock, harass and intimidate our historians and philosophers.

We for get the optimism and courage of our parents' generation who stood up for civil rights, equality and social justice. We look the other way as hard-won rights are eroded. We sit idly by while we let tyrants exploit us and dismantle our democratic structures and rob us of our sustenance.

At times like these I turn to popular music for inspiration and wisdom. I would like to share one particular retrospectively enthusiastic piece I've recently discovered from more optimistic times and I'd like to think it hasn't been in vain quite yet. We are still the human race.

It's by Montrose (also a Scottish town) and is called Space Station #5 and goes like this:

Start, with the sun
And move on out
The future's in the skies above
The heavens unfold
And a new star is born
Space and time makin' love

Now, I'm sure that's the sort of thing Homer Simpson had on his 8 track in his car back in the day.

I don't care. It's much better than war.

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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 12 2022, @05:15PM (9 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 12 2022, @05:15PM (#1220782)
    The greatest patriots are the ones who kill the leaders when the leaders try to start unnecessary wars.

    Make those leaders die for their country.
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  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 12 2022, @09:29PM (8 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 12 2022, @09:29PM (#1220849)

    Difficulty: The warmonger is in Russia and the people around him benefit from his crimes.

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 15 2022, @01:11AM (7 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 15 2022, @01:11AM (#1221560)

      Well look, we have to start somewhere. We can get the permanent socialist revolution started in the USA since the fascists aren't giving us much other choice, and then we'll liberate Russia and restore the USSR. Happy?

      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Tuesday February 15 2022, @03:02PM (6 children)

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday February 15 2022, @03:02PM (#1221705) Journal

        Well look, we have to start somewhere.

        Start with the problem, kid. It's not the USA who put 100+k troops on the Ukraine's border.

        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday February 15 2022, @04:11PM (5 children)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday February 15 2022, @04:11PM (#1221756) Homepage Journal

          It's not the USA who put 100+k troops on the Ukraine's border.

          https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/10/europe/nato-troops-eastern-europe-map-intl-cmd/index.html [cnn.com]

          Around 12,000 multi-country NATO troops and US soldiers . . . 22 fighter jets . . . a ballistic missile defense center . . . with another under construction in Poland . . . Jens Stoltenberg has also said it is prepared to rapidly reinforce that presence further . . . Joe Biden deploys 3,000 more troops . . .

          All of that from CNN, one of the socialist/dem/progressive mouthpieces.

          Your narrative gets old, when the facts don't support it.

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          • (Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Tuesday February 15 2022, @04:46PM (4 children)

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday February 15 2022, @04:46PM (#1221769) Journal
            So right there we have 100+k >> 12k. You also ignore where the NATO troops mentioned are deployed. None of them are deployed in the Ukraine. This is another of those screwy whataboutism brainshits. NATO does something vaguely similar so it's ok for Russia to pile a bunch of troops on the Ukrainian border. A rational person would feel a moment of headache as the terrible argument was removed from short term memory.

            • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday February 15 2022, @06:11PM (3 children)

              by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday February 15 2022, @06:11PM (#1221804) Homepage Journal

              Are you good at geography? US troops are deployed 3000+ miles from home, in their "defensive" positions. Russian troops are in Russia. And, we are perfectly willing to fight this fight to the last Ukrainian. Go ahead, take a look at a map, or better yet, a globe. Find Washington, D.C. and measure the distance to our most defensive troops in Europe. Now measure the distance from Moscow, to their most advanced troops. Clearly, the Russians are the aggressors!

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              • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday February 15 2022, @06:27PM (2 children)

                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday February 15 2022, @06:27PM (#1221814) Journal

                Are you good at geography? US troops are deployed 3000+ miles from home, in their "defensive" positions. Russian troops are in Russia. And, we are perfectly willing to fight this fight to the last Ukrainian. Go ahead, take a look at a map, or better yet, a globe. Find Washington, D.C. and measure the distance to our most defensive troops in Europe. Now measure the distance from Moscow, to their most advanced troops. Clearly, the Russians are the aggressors!

                Indeed, but it sounds like you might need some serious help with military matters. Because Russia is the ones lining up on the Ukraine border with enough troops to invade and take the Ukraine while US doesn't have anywhere near what it would take to credibly invade Russia. But maybe those 12k NATO troops are going to kick ass all the way to Moscow in a surprise invasion, right?

                And while the US is likely the biggest contributor, there are other countries involved with shorter distances to their troops.

                Pull my other finger!

                • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday February 15 2022, @07:38PM (1 child)

                  by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday February 15 2022, @07:38PM (#1221846) Homepage Journal

                  Good God, Khallow - the US and NATO has more than enough troops to invade and take Ukraine and Crimea - if Russia were to sit idly by. Go ahead though, pretend that we pose no threat whatsoever to Russian interests.

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                  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday February 15 2022, @08:31PM

                    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday February 15 2022, @08:31PM (#1221867) Journal

                    Good God, Khallow - the US and NATO has more than enough troops to invade and take Ukraine and Crimea - if Russia were to sit idly by.

                    Where are these troops again? Why would Ukraine also sit idly by? And technically, if nobody was here, then some dude with a flag could take the whole world.