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I'm worried, What happened to the lessons of the last century? I had a grandmother who lived through both world wars and lived to own and use a smartphone.
Much important history has faded from living memory. We mock, harass and intimidate our historians and philosophers.
We for get the optimism and courage of our parents' generation who stood up for civil rights, equality and social justice. We look the other way as hard-won rights are eroded. We sit idly by while we let tyrants exploit us and dismantle our democratic structures and rob us of our sustenance.
At times like these I turn to popular music for inspiration and wisdom. I would like to share one particular retrospectively enthusiastic piece I've recently discovered from more optimistic times and I'd like to think it hasn't been in vain quite yet. We are still the human race.
It's by Montrose (also a Scottish town) and is called Space Station #5 and goes like this:
Start, with the sun
And move on out
The future's in the skies above
The heavens unfold
And a new star is born
Space and time makin' love
Now, I'm sure that's the sort of thing Homer Simpson had on his 8 track in his car back in the day.
I don't care. It's much better than war.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday February 15 2022, @02:46PM (31 children)
And one need only follow along with the official propaganda published by MSM for Establishment Authority Figures to buy into Sleepy Joe's narrative. We are prepared to fight the Russians in Ukraine right down to the last Ukrainian!
I haz a cereal question here: Where's the altruism angle on instigating the Ukrainian coup and installing a fascist government? How have we improved the lives of Ukrainians in the last ~30 years? Are they really any better off than if we had just ignored them, and pretended they didn't exist?
Also, we saw how utterly incompetent the administration was in the evacuation of Afghanistan. Do we think that Sleepy Joe has learned any lessons since then?
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday February 15 2022, @03:53PM (30 children)
It's democracy in action - at least half a million people on the street.
Euromaidan would have happened anyway, Koch brother/CIA cooties or not.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday February 15 2022, @04:01PM (29 children)
Citations needed. Take away Koch funding, how does Maidan sustain itself? There were other oligarchs lined up to shovel money at them?
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday February 15 2022, @04:48PM (28 children)
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday February 15 2022, @06:06PM (27 children)
That's cool. Just, please, stop trying to pass your faulty vision off as reality. https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/ugly-freddy-young-man-smiling-2926103.jpg [dreamstime.com]
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday February 15 2022, @06:17PM (26 children)
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday February 15 2022, @06:25PM (18 children)
You repeatedly mock the "Koch cooties". It's almost like you believe the Koch Brothers were solely responsible? Like, the US government wasn't backing them? All those rich Ukrainian oligarches who are abandoning ship today weren't helping? Good grief - the Koch boys were just the biggest investors, not the only investors.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday February 15 2022, @09:06PM (17 children)
I believe we have several posts where all you mention of the Euromaidan protests was the Koch brothers. Like here [soylentnews.org] in this very thread.
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To summarize, you probably should have been saying something different for the past three years. I also see that the very last post I quoted cites some crazy blogger by the name of Karoli Kuns who in the 2014 story you cited (which would have taken place during the final protests prior to President Yanukovych's departure and removal from office) made zero effort to make a coherent argument. For example, this is her take on the Koch brothers.
The only solid facts, related to the Koch brothers, in here are that the Koch brothers made a purchase of a business with some sort of presence in Ukraine (she didn't even bother to determine how much of a presence) and a pretty vanilla press release about the merger. From that, she spun a tale of US oligarches preying on countries with "dangerous levels of unrest".
I never did see anything backing up your claim that the Koch brothers spent $14 billion USD on Euromaidan. But that claim did get repeated a lot.
Why are they abandoning ship, Runaway? Russia isn't invading, right?
It's an interesting case of cognitive dissonance here. Russia supposedly is just defending its interests. But then you smugly observe the chaotic effects that this alleged defense has on poor Ukraine.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday February 15 2022, @09:17PM (16 children)
Well, if they do, it's a shame they didn't invade quickly enough to line some oligarches up against the wall.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday February 15 2022, @10:20PM (15 children)
Way back when, fusty was spinning [soylentnews.org] a tale about how corrupt the US was (it was a straw man argument, apparently, without my knowledge, I had come to believe that the US was much less corrupt than Canada and the UK) and that somehow that excused the much greater corruption of China. So he linked [transparency.org] to a map of countries sorted by perceived corruption, ignoring that China was much more corrupt by that index than the US was - yet another fusty own goal.
Anyway, if you look at that map, you see an interesting thing. The Ukraine was pretty bad, but Russia was worse. So maybe they would execute all the mean Ukrainian oligarchs. But it's more likely that they'd just steal a bunch from them and transfer that to mean Russian oligarchs.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday February 15 2022, @10:32PM (3 children)
Better to transfer that wealth to mean Western oligarchs.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday February 15 2022, @10:47PM (2 children)
They already are.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday February 15 2022, @11:16PM (1 child)
Thank you for that admission.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday February 15 2022, @11:36PM
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday February 16 2022, @02:52AM (10 children)
You're funny... Euromaidan was pure American/CIA. Funny how this story has you all shooting at each other. The idea here is to keep Europe from trading with Russia/China and forming real competing (with US finance) economic alliances. "De-dollarization" is seen as the real threat. The IMF will blow up the universe first
Nobody but the US wants war. Russia doesn't want it on its border and Ukraine certainly doesn't want it on its territory.
You may now resume your propagandapalooza fest
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday February 16 2022, @04:54AM (9 children)
Then where did the huge number of protestors on the streets come from?
Unless, of course, you happen to be wrong, say because you don't have a clue.
And yet, Russia is the one playing the war games and the war is on neighboring Ukraine's territory. You need a new narrative fusty.
I find it remarkable how people are coming up with these stilted, dumbass narratives and blaming me for bringing the propaganda. I didn't make you all idiots.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday February 16 2022, @05:01AM (8 children)
:-) Not just you... Eh, whatever, go nuts, you're fun to watch
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday February 16 2022, @06:14AM (7 children)
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday February 16 2022, @06:18AM (6 children)
There's no other way to respond to lies and propaganda
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday February 16 2022, @02:13PM (5 children)
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday February 16 2022, @09:36PM (4 children)
:-) Of course you do... since you have nothing to say anyway. Objectively, you are doing what you are accusing me of... Exactly how your war mongers are doing in their information wars. Today's the day, right?
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday February 17 2022, @12:01AM (3 children)
Who again has 150k troops on the border of the Ukraine? You've lost this argument weeks ago.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday February 17 2022, @12:36AM (2 children)
:-) Where do you get your news from? You're still war mongering there. Look at the bright side, you can declare victory every day the invasion doesn't happen, like those crazy Christians with their failed doomsday predictions..
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2, Funny) by khallow on Thursday February 17 2022, @12:49AM (1 child)
No, the problem here is not the news, not the imaginary Western warmongers, but that there's a pile of Russian troops on that border.
Sorry, it's going to take regime change in Russia for a real victory at this point. As long as Putin or his like are in power, we can return to this situation in a few short weeks.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday February 17 2022, @01:50AM
3) Profit!
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 15 2022, @09:59PM (6 children)
If you never read Debord [wikipedia.org] you don't understand the game. [thenewamerican.com]
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday February 15 2022, @10:41PM (5 children)
And third, there's some interesting weasel language in the second link complaining about Soros and his alleged support of Euromaidan protests. An example that leaps out at me:
How many is "many"? Is it 10 or 10 million? That haziness infects the entire piece. And I find it interesting how this is supposed to damn the Euromaidan protests rather than burnish Soros's legacy! We've seen what an utter shit Putin became after his boy, President Yanukovych got kicked out by Euromaidan. Sounds like Soros and the Koch brothers made the right call.
Sorry, I'm not going to hand wring because there are Soros/Koch brother cooties on the Euromaidan or speak vacuously of "the game".
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 16 2022, @01:04AM (4 children)
Would you like a new pair of shoes? [justinmcguirk.com]
Have your shadow government in place, dominate the media, sow civil unrest (do you like shoes?), incur maximum costs to the state and provoke an election crisis. And variations thereof. [wikipedia.org] Do you think NED, NSAID and OSF invest in countries out of the goodness of their hearts?
* Also why they still target Trump. With more media support, he would have turned the typical final stage of the game plan against the cartel in 2020.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday February 16 2022, @03:47AM (3 children)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 16 2022, @04:31PM (2 children)
I explained how color revolutions work. Do you doubt it [consortiumnews.com] or why the establishment was upset when Trump cut funding. [newsweek.com] My interjection was specifically in response to your claim...
Ever seen interviews with protesters at mass protests who can't explain exactly what the protest is even about? Beatlemania!
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday February 16 2022, @05:38PM
And I ignored that because it was and remains irrelevant and yes, I sure do doubt it. Your first link merely notes that Russia shut down a bunch of US-supported organizations - no evidence given that would support their use in your alleged "colour revolutions". Similarly, so what if someone complains because Trump cut funding. Every dollar spent by the US government has a vocal constituent/recipient. Someone would have complained no matter what he cut.
In other words, you concede this point. I see, for example, an absence of Euromaidan protester interviews that might theoretically support your flimsy argument!
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday February 19 2022, @01:13PM
Also, anti-democracy rears its ugly head. Why not just put me in charge so that those poor, clueless protesters never need make/face any hard decisions ever again? I'll make Russia/Ukraine happy and productive! In fact, they'll be so happy and productive, they'll be glowing. So let's call this mighty new nation, SureGlow. We shall have a long, long half-life of happiness! (TM)