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posted by janrinok on Tuesday March 15 2022, @11:42AM   Printer-friendly
from the doomed-from-the-start? dept.

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2022/03/ars-talks-to-werner-herzog-about-space-colonization-its-poetry/

Last Exit: Space is a new documentary on Discovery+ that explores the possibility of humans colonizing planets beyond Earth. Since it is produced and narrated by Werner Herzog (director of Grizzly Man, guest star on The Mandalorian) and written and directed by his son Rudolph, however, it goes in a different direction than your average space documentary. It's weird, beautiful, skeptical, and even a bit funny.

In light of the film's recent streaming launch, father and son Herzog spoke with Ars Technica from their respective homes about the film's otherworldly hopes, pessimistic conclusions, and that one part about space colonists having to drink their own urine.


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  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday March 16 2022, @03:59AM (4 children)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday March 16 2022, @03:59AM (#1229542) Journal

    Have you ever priced construction materials vs the cost of finished structures?

    Yes. Here's the difference between that and NASA. You then multiply that by a factor of ten to get the inflated cost that NASA thinks it'll cost. Then multiply it by another factor of 2 because they used cost-plus contracts and the contractor is milking that for all they can. That's what actually gets spent in NASA-world.

  • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday March 16 2022, @12:48PM (3 children)

    by JoeMerchant (3937) on Wednesday March 16 2022, @12:48PM (#1229609)

    >Here's the difference between that and NASA.

    Boldly going where no man-person has ever gone before, doing things that have never been done, in strange new places with challenges nobody and no creature in the Billions of years history of life on earth has ever faced. So, yeah, it does cost more than swapping faucets on standard PVC pipe.

    Do they milk it? sure they do. Does that slush multiply up into obscene multiples of actual cost? yep. Are the private space contractors going to be any better 50 years from now? In all probability, they'll be worse, and in the meantime they're getting all kinds of support that makes them look better than they really are.

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    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday March 16 2022, @03:17PM (2 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday March 16 2022, @03:17PM (#1229665) Journal

      Boldly going where no man-person has ever gone before, doing things that have never been done, in strange new places with challenges nobody and no creature in the Billions of years history of life on earth has ever faced. So, yeah, it does cost more than swapping faucets on standard PVC pipe.

      So does every over-sized house builder. You keep ignoring the over-priced NASA efforts here.

      • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday March 16 2022, @04:58PM (1 child)

        by JoeMerchant (3937) on Wednesday March 16 2022, @04:58PM (#1229702)

        Everything is overpriced, some of those things have better reasons for that than others.

        Transparency is always the answer. NASA actually leads most of the world in terms of transparency into their fat margins.

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        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday March 17 2022, @02:08AM

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday March 17 2022, @02:08AM (#1229832) Journal

          Everything is overpriced, some of those things have better reasons for that than others.

          Overpriced isn't merely a bitflag you set. As I noted, you can basically take those inflated prices for those testosterone houses and multiply it by another factor of 20 to get NASA prices.

          Transparency is always the answer. NASA actually leads most of the world in terms of transparency into their fat margins.

          Transparency? Here's an example [soylentnews.org] of NASA transparency:

          On the second point:

          • In particular, NASA does not have a comprehensive and accurate estimate that accounts for all Artemis program-related costs. Because NASA has not defined Artemis as a formal program under the Agency's Space Flight Program and Project Management Requirements, an Artemis-wide full life-cycle cost estimate is not required. Instead, NASA's disparate programs and projects individually submit budget estimates through their divisions and directorates to the Office of the Chief Financial Officer.
          • When aggregating all relevant costs across Mission Directorates, we projected NASA will spend $93 billion on the Artemis effort from FY 2012 through FY 2025

          In other words, the official of the linked story was able to identify enough hidden, unreported costs that the cost of the SLS/Orion/Artemis programs almost doubled ($53 billion to $93 billion). Imagine you're building a muscle home and your contractor says he's managing to keep the costs at a million dollars. Well, you've been talking to those subcontractors and well, there's like $750k of costs you have to pay under the contract that the contractor didn't tell you about. That's NASA transparency.