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posted by janrinok on Tuesday March 15 2022, @11:42AM   Printer-friendly
from the doomed-from-the-start? dept.

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2022/03/ars-talks-to-werner-herzog-about-space-colonization-its-poetry/

Last Exit: Space is a new documentary on Discovery+ that explores the possibility of humans colonizing planets beyond Earth. Since it is produced and narrated by Werner Herzog (director of Grizzly Man, guest star on The Mandalorian) and written and directed by his son Rudolph, however, it goes in a different direction than your average space documentary. It's weird, beautiful, skeptical, and even a bit funny.

In light of the film's recent streaming launch, father and son Herzog spoke with Ars Technica from their respective homes about the film's otherworldly hopes, pessimistic conclusions, and that one part about space colonists having to drink their own urine.


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  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday March 16 2022, @04:03AM (4 children)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday March 16 2022, @04:03AM (#1229544) Journal

    Ever since about 1970, NASA's funding has been radically reduced, unreliable, and management has periodically whipsawed priorities from one goal to another.

    Why in the world would anyone expect that NASA would be paid 2% of US GDP forever for Apollo program level theater?

    Joe Public pays for NASA the same way they pay for the roads they drive on, but you don't hear anyone shouting to shut down the roads because they're too expensive to maintain.

    Joe Public gets roads which are vastly more valuable infrastructure than what NASA produces.

  • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday March 16 2022, @12:53PM (3 children)

    by JoeMerchant (3937) on Wednesday March 16 2022, @12:53PM (#1229612)

    >Joe Public gets roads which are vastly more valuable infrastructure than what NASA produces.

    Are they, though? Compared on dollar cost?

    The NASA programs pushed digital computing forward at least a decade, possibly more. Materials science, etc. The arguments are old, well worn, and all too true. What is the modern cellular communication network worth compared with 1980s land-lines? It costs less to maintain, and presents orders of magnitude greater value. The only thing that comes close to NASA ROI is military research when it eventually trickles into the public sector, and it's a distant second - in no small part due to the lack of transparency of military R&D programs.

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    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday March 16 2022, @03:13PM (2 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday March 16 2022, @03:13PM (#1229663) Journal

      [khallow:] Joe Public gets roads which are vastly more valuable infrastructure than what NASA produces.

      [JoeMerchant:] Are they, though? Compared on dollar cost?

      Of course they are. That's an absurd question to ask. And even if you consider space theater a near infinite value activity, those roads (and other transportation networks like railroads and air flight) are immensely valuable to generating space activity. Meanwhile NASA's space activity itself has remarkably low value to generating future space activity. SLS for a glaring example will actually defund a lot of future space activity.

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday March 16 2022, @04:55PM (1 child)

        by JoeMerchant (3937) on Wednesday March 16 2022, @04:55PM (#1229699)

        Seems to me that SLS was largely based on a (cleverly moronic) executive order from a lame duck that the ethnic minority incoming executive didn't have the political clout to correct, in the reality of the more near term shit shows he was given to clean up.

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        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday March 17 2022, @01:57AM

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday March 17 2022, @01:57AM (#1229829) Journal

          Seems to me that SLS was largely based on a (cleverly moronic) executive order from a lame duck that the ethnic minority incoming executive didn't have the political clout to correct, in the reality of the more near term shit shows he was given to clean up.

          That's the space activity you're lauding. The highest goals are merely political theater.