Discovery rewrites Star Trek history. I gave up in disgust after a few episodes. Someone told me it is set in the Chris Pine as Kirk universe rather than the Shatner as Kirk universe. I started to watch Star Trek Picard, and it was good, but I was not really in the mood for the large set of intrigues it seemed to be setting up and I stopped watching. I watched Deep Space Nine for part of the first season, then I moved where I couldn't watch it at all. I recently streamed the whole series, and I really liked it. Sisko was probably the most badass of all the Star Trek captains, often outpunching Klingons or Jem'Hadar. The storyline for the entire series I thought was well put together. TOS of course was the first and set the tone for everything that followed. It was a remarkable show, especially considering when it was made. There were some cringy things, the idea of Uhura, a trained bridge officer, clinging to Kirk in a tense moment and saying "Oh captain, I'm scared" and other such occurrences. It pushed the ideas of great characters first in a usually bogged down in tech and special effects genre. It's a shame it was suddenly canceled without any closure for followers. TNG was a very good series, with some powerful episodes, but somehow it was harder to like the characters. Stewart as Picard was great, as was Brent Spiner as Data, but the rest just seemed to be created to flesh out a full set of characters. Perhaps Roddenberry was trying to finish what he started on TOS. I seem to be in the minority, but I liked Voyager. Janeway was much more like Kirk than Picard. She had the same attitude towards the Prime Directive as Kirk, stick to it when she had a choice, but willing to gamble on bending or breaking it if she did not. Most critics I've read seem infuriated that she didn't break it in every instance where the success of Voyager returning home was possibly on the line. I never watched much of Enterprise. I think Scott Bakula, although a good enough actor, was just too well known to be a good choice as a Star Trek captain. I may have to try again, based on your description of season 4.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 04 2022, @05:54AM
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by Anonymous Coward
on Monday April 04 2022, @05:54AM (#1234691)
Voyager was good at what it was meant to be, pure episodic science fiction (and starkly opposed to DS9's serial approach). The people I know who dislike it do so specifically because it is too episodic. As for the criticism of Janeway and the Prime Directive, I can understand that when you factor in the pilot. The whole reason they are stuck in the Delta Quadrant at all is because Janeway, and Janeway alone, made the decision to violate the Prime Directive in the stupidest, most unnecessary way. After that decision, watching her pick and choose when to follow it, preach about it when she will likely make a different choice next time, and with the Universe bending to her will to prove her correct, I don't think it is too hard to see why Janeway gets extra crap for the decisions she makes during the course of the show. But if you take it for what it is, and remember that it is episodic and not serial, it is also easy to overlook.
Enterprise season 4 is what I thought the whole show would be. They tried to pivot out of their 3-season-long Temporal Cold War arc but it was too late. It struck the right balance between being episodic and serial that the first three seasons didn't have.
(Score: 2) by Joe Desertrat on Sunday April 03 2022, @01:13AM (2 children)
Discovery rewrites Star Trek history. I gave up in disgust after a few episodes. Someone told me it is set in the Chris Pine as Kirk universe rather than the Shatner as Kirk universe. I started to watch Star Trek Picard, and it was good, but I was not really in the mood for the large set of intrigues it seemed to be setting up and I stopped watching.
I watched Deep Space Nine for part of the first season, then I moved where I couldn't watch it at all. I recently streamed the whole series, and I really liked it. Sisko was probably the most badass of all the Star Trek captains, often outpunching Klingons or Jem'Hadar. The storyline for the entire series I thought was well put together.
TOS of course was the first and set the tone for everything that followed. It was a remarkable show, especially considering when it was made. There were some cringy things, the idea of Uhura, a trained bridge officer, clinging to Kirk in a tense moment and saying "Oh captain, I'm scared" and other such occurrences. It pushed the ideas of great characters first in a usually bogged down in tech and special effects genre. It's a shame it was suddenly canceled without any closure for followers.
TNG was a very good series, with some powerful episodes, but somehow it was harder to like the characters. Stewart as Picard was great, as was Brent Spiner as Data, but the rest just seemed to be created to flesh out a full set of characters. Perhaps Roddenberry was trying to finish what he started on TOS.
I seem to be in the minority, but I liked Voyager. Janeway was much more like Kirk than Picard. She had the same attitude towards the Prime Directive as Kirk, stick to it when she had a choice, but willing to gamble on bending or breaking it if she did not. Most critics I've read seem infuriated that she didn't break it in every instance where the success of Voyager returning home was possibly on the line.
I never watched much of Enterprise. I think Scott Bakula, although a good enough actor, was just too well known to be a good choice as a Star Trek captain. I may have to try again, based on your description of season 4.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 04 2022, @05:54AM (1 child)
Voyager was good at what it was meant to be, pure episodic science fiction (and starkly opposed to DS9's serial approach). The people I know who dislike it do so specifically because it is too episodic. As for the criticism of Janeway and the Prime Directive, I can understand that when you factor in the pilot. The whole reason they are stuck in the Delta Quadrant at all is because Janeway, and Janeway alone, made the decision to violate the Prime Directive in the stupidest, most unnecessary way. After that decision, watching her pick and choose when to follow it, preach about it when she will likely make a different choice next time, and with the Universe bending to her will to prove her correct, I don't think it is too hard to see why Janeway gets extra crap for the decisions she makes during the course of the show. But if you take it for what it is, and remember that it is episodic and not serial, it is also easy to overlook.
Enterprise season 4 is what I thought the whole show would be. They tried to pivot out of their 3-season-long Temporal Cold War arc but it was too late. It struck the right balance between being episodic and serial that the first three seasons didn't have.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 05 2022, @08:12PM
Just don't watch the series finale. What a disappointing load of crap.