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posted by azrael on Thursday November 13 2014, @06:49AM   Printer-friendly
from the for-better-or-worse dept.

Sometimes a “good enough” military technology can achieve victory over better military technologies. Such a fact probably gave very little comfort to the five-man crews of U.S. Sherman tanks who faced an uphill battle against more powerful German tanks during World War II. British tank crews gave Sherman tanks the unflattering nickname “Ronson” — a grim reference to the Ronson cigarette lighter’s ad slogan “lights first every time” and the unfortunate fact that Sherman tanks often burned after taking just one hit. But that did not stop the U.S. from supplying tens of thousands of Sherman tanks to U.S., British, Canadian and other Allied forces, tipping the scales against the smaller numbers of elite German tanks on World War II battlefields.

The armchair historian debate over the Sherman’s war legacy could blaze up once more with the new war film “Fury”, starring actor Brad Pitt as a U.S. tank commander leading a five-man Sherman crew deep within Germany in the closing days of World War II. Some historians and military history enthusiasts still scoff at the capabilities of Sherman tanks when compared with the German Panther and Tiger tanks that carried both more armor and more firepower. But the U.S. strategy of mass-producing a reliable tank in large numbers should not be underestimated, according to the book “Armored Thunderbolt: The U.S. Army Sherman in World War II” by Steven Zaloga, a military historian and senior analyst at the Teal Group Corporation. The tale of the Sherman tank’s road to victory represents a history lesson with implications for the future of warfare.

“In battle, quantity has a quality all its own,” Zaloga writes. “Warfare in the industrial age requires a careful balance between quality and quantity.”

“Overwhelming adversaries through greater numbers is a viable strategy for technology competition, and was used successfully by the United States in World War II,” writes Paul Scharre, a fellow at CNAS, in a preview for the new report titled “Robotics on the Battlefield Part II: The Coming Swarm.” ( http://www.cnas.org/sites/default/files/publications-pdf/CNAS_TheComingSwarm_Scharre.pdf )

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/lovesick-cyborg/2014/10/16/good-enough-us-tanks-won-wwii/#5465

 
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  • (Score: 2) by Arik on Thursday November 13 2014, @08:47PM

    by Arik (4543) on Thursday November 13 2014, @08:47PM (#115654) Journal
    "The Long Bow had 4 times the rate of fire"

    Sounds about right. It had roughly the same range and power of a crossbow, but a much higher rate of fire.

    It also required a highly skilled archer, of which there were a very limited supply.

    "well over three times the range"

    What? Negative, sir, check your sources on that. Medieval crossbows were effective at ranges equal to and sometimes greater than the longbow.

    "Almost all of the french casualties were outright KIA with arrows sticking out of their breast armor."

    Citation needed.

    IIRC most of the French casualties fell on the line in the melee, facing English men-at arms along a prepared line, with the longbowmen once the enemy reached the line often dropping their bows and charging in from the flanks with their poignards to dispatch French heavies that were already disabled, sunk into the mud or simply exhausted (and packed too tight to maneuver.)

    You might find this interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVuVtP_xepU
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  • (Score: 2) by frojack on Thursday November 13 2014, @09:02PM

    by frojack (1554) Subscriber Badge on Thursday November 13 2014, @09:02PM (#115659) Journal

    IIRC most of the French casualties fell on the line in the melee

    You don't recall correctly.

    There was no general melee, just some vary limited ones near the flanks.
    This is because the bowmen stood behind row upon row of pointed stakes driven into the ground at angles to prevent mounted or even dismounted troops from approaching. Attackers were cut down in a prolonged fusillade of arrows.

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    • (Score: 2) by Arik on Friday November 14 2014, @02:28AM

      by Arik (4543) on Friday November 14 2014, @02:28AM (#115749) Journal

      From the wikipedia article you cited above:

      The surviving French men-at-arms reached the front of the English line and pushed it back, with the longbowmen on the flanks continuing to shoot at point blank range. When the archers ran out of arrows they dropped their bows and using hatchets, swords and the mallets they had used to drive their stakes in, attacked the now disordered, fatigued and wounded French men-at-arms massed in front of them. The French could not cope with the thousands of lightly armoured longbowmen assailants (who were much less hindered by the mud and weight of their armour) combined with the English men-at-arms. The impact of thousands of arrows, combined with the slog in heavy armour through the mud, the heat and lack of oxygen in plate armour with the visor down, and the crush of their numbers meant the French men-at-arms could "scarcely lift their weapons" when they finally engaged the English line.[48] The exhausted French men-at-arms are described as being knocked to the ground by the English and then unable to get back up. As the mêlée developed, the French second line also joined the attack, but they too were swallowed up, with the narrow terrain meaning the extra numbers could not be used effectively. Rogers suggests that the French at the back of their deep formation would have been attempting to push forward and quite literally add their weight to the advance, without realising that they were hindering the ability of those at the front to manoeuvre and fight, actually pushing them into the English formation of lancepoints. After the initial wave, the French would have had to fight over and on the bodies of those who had fallen before them. In such a "press" of thousands of men, Rogers finds it plausible that a significant number could have suffocated in their armour, as is described by several sources, and is also known to have happened in other battles.[49]"

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