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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 13 2022, @04:00PM
(13 children)
by Anonymous Coward
on Friday May 13 2022, @04:00PM (#1244773)
Baby formula is the modern equivalent of wet-nursing. In both cases you are paying someone else to feed your child.
The current problem is due to: 1) Over-consolidation of the market. There are laws against this precisely because it is a problem, but they haven't been enforced in decades. 2) Lack of basic maintenance by the provider has resulted in their production being halted. Again, largely because of lax regulation. In this case predatory investors forcing stock buy-backs for their own enrichment at the expense of both company viability and the other investors.
Losing your wet-nurse is just as problematic. The only difference is in the number of people affected. See point 1) for why that is and why those affected can't just switch providers, which should be easier than switching wet-nurses in a healthy market.
OMG! Are you daring to suggest . . . OMG . . . government regulation? Where the government takes some responsibility at a national level to ensure the common good? Such as having more than a couple infant formula providers?
2) Lack of basic maintenance by the provider has resulted in their production being halted. Again, largely because of lax regulation.
What we need is more deregulation to combat the failures of deregulation!
Deregulation is like XML.
XML is like Violence: if it isn't working, use more!
-- Is there a chemotherapy treatment for excessively low blood alcohol level?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 15 2022, @04:07PM
by Anonymous Coward
on Sunday May 15 2022, @04:07PM (#1245127)
As a proponent of free market capitalism, damned straight I recommend regulation. The critical elements are that those regulations need to be fair and focused on levelling the playing field and rooting out fraud and corruption rather than scoring political points or virtue signalling, and they need to be strictly enforced. As Adam Smith himself said, there is no greater threat to capitalism than a successful capitalist, because once they start buying off the government to favour themselves they destroy the market, and it becomes very difficult to get it back.
Maxim 6: If violence wasn't your last resort, you didn't resort to enough of it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 13 2022, @07:51PM
by Anonymous Coward
on Friday May 13 2022, @07:51PM (#1244807)
There is a ghost in the machine!
You may be closer to the truth than you know. Those who recall the green site may remember that in order to submit a comment one had to read a word CAPTCHA and type it into a text box before their comment was accepted. It seemed to me that the CAPTCHA word was frequently eerily prescient to the discussion. For example, if the discussion was about politics the CAPTCHA word may have been something like "elections" or "democracy". If the discussion was about science the CAPTCHA word might be something like "physics" or "biology". At times it could be downright creepy.
Baby formula is the modern equivalent of wet-nursing.
Sorry, but not it isn't. There is no formula on the market that meets baby's nutritional needs like mother's milk. The closest thing to mother's milk, is goat's milk*. Not cow's milk, but goat's milk. The various formulas are merely conveniences, which deprive both mother and baby of the all-important bonding through suckling.
Wet-nurses are a perfectly acceptable substitute for mother's own milk - except for the first few days, when mother is producing colstrum.
* While searching for a citation, I find that there are multiple opinions on the nutritional value of cow, goat, and human milk. I'll continue believing that goat milk is better than cow milk, but no one disputes that human milk is the best possible alternative. No man can manufacture what a woman can produce naturally.
It was shown previously that goat milk fat is also a good source of energy because it is easier to digest as the fat molecules in the goat milk are much smaller than the fat molecules in cow’s milk. Thus, it is perceived as a good fat source for human nutrition [82].
There it is - the key to goat milk's superiority is digestibility. Cow's milk is much harder for infants to digest.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 15 2022, @04:22PM
(1 child)
by Anonymous Coward
on Sunday May 15 2022, @04:22PM (#1245138)
Of course it is. Wet-nursing is providing an alternative source when the mother is for any reason unable to provide by herself. Hiring another woman to do it is not the only way, especially among the lower classes.
There is no reason that baby formula can't be made from goat's milk, and there are a few suppliers. Human milk formula is more problematic due to politics and cost.
I didn't realize that I was discussing this with one of the elites. Are you a 1%, or one of the real upper class of .01%?
If formula were being made from goat's milk (I'm sure it probably is - somewhere) it would be a major selling point. "Goat's milk, most like Mom's milk, and more easily digested than other formulas!" Personally, I don't recall any goat's milk formulas from my baby-raising days. I do recall feeding the boys real goat's milk, powdered goat's milk, cow's milk, and on a few occasions Similac. Yeah, we kept Similac on hand, for those times when nothing better was available.
Formula is, as the name implies, formulated specifically for the nutritional needs of human infants; on that level alone, it's a better option than the milk of other species. Human breastmilk is more beneficial than formula (or milk from other animals) primarily just in that it can provide short-term immune benefits, but that's regardless of whether it came straight from the mother's breast or a bottle.
Also, according to WebMD [webmd.com]: "Goat milk alone is not recommended for babies. The milk has…less folate than is necessary to meet a child's nutritional needs. Some studies also indicate that goat milk is associated with high rates of anemia."
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 15 2022, @06:47PM
by Anonymous Coward
on Sunday May 15 2022, @06:47PM (#1245168)
2) Lack of basic maintenance by the provider has resulted in their production being halted.
The provider was accused and forced to shut down by the govt. They never found the problem in the facility... could've been a hundred other things. Regulation — like speed limit signs — won't fix things.
In my youth, I worked in restaurants... you know, those places where you feel queasy going in, and hope you feel better going out. People are remarkable animals, train 'em as well as you can, walk away for a half hour, and they're already trying to poison everyone within slinging distance. I suppose you could blame it on personal responsibility of management, but they have to sleep sometime, too. Then you have standards and practices and fail-safes and everybody who's ever breathed near your product. That's why I quit restaurants, and got into the lawn dart business. Next, let's do factories.
People... they keep everyone else's immune systems strong. Let's replace 'em all with intelligent robots.
Jehosheba, who was King Jehoram’s daughter and Ahaziah’s sister, secretly rescued Joash son of Ahaziah from among the king’s sons who were being killed and put him and the one who nursed him in a bedroom. So he was hidden from Athaliah and was not killed.
Saul’s son Jonathan had a son whose feet were crippled. He was five years old when the report about Saul and Jonathan came from Jezreel. His nanny picked him up and fled, but as she was hurrying to flee, he fell and became lame. His name was Mephibosheth.
Now in modern times, from TFA above:
Some will protest, "But that mother must leave her child and pursue employment - else our economy will fail!" Others will grouse, "Surely our science has progressed to the point where we no longer need to nurse our offspring like beasts of the field do."
There is a simple and obvious solution! Again, science to the rescue!
Remote work from home men can do and nurse they must because women go out of the house they must to pursue employment. Otherwise our economy, fail it will. Yes! Economic fail leads to the dark side.
Men nursing seems a simple, obvious and natural solution to a modern problem.
<no-sarcasm>What is our world coming to.</no-sarcasm>
Gallagher from early 80s: Dishwashing soap made with real lemons, lemonade artificially flavored.
-- Is there a chemotherapy treatment for excessively low blood alcohol level?
(Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 13 2022, @04:25PM
(3 children)
by Anonymous Coward
on Friday May 13 2022, @04:25PM (#1244777)
...and take note of an actual historian:
You may be hearing the argument that before the rise of modern commercial infant formula, babies all ate breastmilk and everything was great. As a historian of infant feeding, let me tell you why that’s not true.
First of all, throughout history, people have at times needed to feed infants using foods other than breastmilk. For many reasons: Sometimes the birthing parent was unable to breastfeed. Because: death in childbirth, or physical/mental health concerns, or need to return to work outside the home right after childbirth, OR their partner or enslaver forced them not to breastfeed so that they could return to fertility ASAP after giving birth. Sometimes baby was unable to breastfeed. Because: poor latch, prematurity, cleft palate, other health or disability reasons, etc. Sometimes baby was being cared for by carers other than birthing parent, including adoptive parents.
So, what DID babies eat instead of their birthing parent’s breastmilk?
Sometimes someone else would breastfed the child. This might have been a relative or neighbor doing it for free. Or it might have been a paid or unpaid servant or enslaved person doing it at the expense of their own nursing infant, who might starve to death as a result.
So, feeding baby other people’s breastmilk wasn’t necessarily an ideal situation either, given the power dynamics of race, class, and gender in the past.
What if there was no breastmilk to be had, period? What did babies eat instead?
Sometimes babies thrived on alternative diets. Wabanaki women in the 18th century sometimes fed infants a mixture of boiled walnuts, cornmeal, and water; an English colonist, Elizabeth Hanson, reported that her baby thrived on this diet. In early modern Europe, babies often ate pap or panada, mixtures of animal milk or water, bread crumbs or flour. Sometimes these were boiled, sometimes they weren’t. Unfortunately, these milk substitutes weren’t always safe (especially if uncooked, or served out of lead utensils, etc.) or nutritionally complete.
So before the advent of modern commercial formula (in the 1950s), a lot of babies died of illness or starvation because they couldn’t breastfeed and the alternative foods were not safe or adequate. Let me repeat that: in the absence of modern formula, A LOT OF BABIES DIED OF ILLNESS OR STARVATION DUE TO LACK OF SAFE OR ADEQUATE FOOD.
Now, would a lot more people in the US breastfeed, and therefore fewer people need formula, if there were better support systems in place for breastfeeding? Of course! More people would be able to breastfeed if they had access to things like paid parental leave, free lactation consultants and breastfeeding education, access to pumping rooms and the right to breastfeed in public...you get the picture. And it's not like I'm a big fan of the corporate formula industry, whose greed has created the current crisis.
But! Let’s not demonize formula because of an imagined past in which everyone breastfed. In the ACTUAL past, babies fucking starved and died of disease. Babies who would have survived today, because they would have had access to safe, nutritionally complete formula. Access that is now, horrifyingly and unjustly, under threat for many babies and their caregivers. Instead, let's be grateful that there are multiple safe, nutritionally complete ways to feed babies. Breastmilk is one option. Formula is another option. It's great to have options. There will ALWAYS be people who need formula for a whole hosts of reasons.
Let's all agree that babies not going hungry should be the MAIN GOAL here.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 13 2022, @06:45PM
(1 child)
by Anonymous Coward
on Friday May 13 2022, @06:45PM (#1244797)
And produce a dozen companies trying to fill the need, just be patient and don't be a crybaby, though you can now cry over spilled milk, seeing how precious it is.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 13 2022, @07:40PM
by Anonymous Coward
on Friday May 13 2022, @07:40PM (#1244805)
Yes, I have no doubt that there may be a dozen or so companies willing and able to fill this need. In a few years. Meanwhile, what do we do about all these hungry babies needing to be fed RIGHT NOW? And, yes, we currently have a lot of "crybabies" quite literally crying over spilled milk right now. I'm sure their mothers are concerned.
Some will protest, "But that mother must leave her child and pursue employment - else our economy will fail!" Others will grouse, "Surely our science has progressed to the point where we no longer need to nurse our offspring like beasts of the field do."
Those do sound like pretty solid arguments to me. You have a rebuttal to that?
And in line with all the modest proposals out there recently, if we're going to limit child rearing to only the people who can arrange for nursing from a human woman, maybe we should just ban the practice outright? It's creating unnecessary complications, such as in our Koran, that we can eliminate by just not having children in the first place.
The media want you to believe that every problem you face can only be solved by the government or some corporation.
The heart of my journal was to suggest that there are a myriad of solutions and work-arounds for the formula shortage that do not require that we ask help from the government nor rely on greedy and self-serving corporations.
If I were a parent with a hungry baby trying to solve it "locally", I would be knocking on neighbors doors and asking around until I found a nursing mother who I could hire to help wet-nurse my child. Neighbors are not our enemies.
Solving it on a "community" level might involve approaching a local food bank and/or setting up a breast-milk exchange on some local social media. Every nursing mother I've met over the past ten years has a freezer-full of pumped breast milk in stock.
On a state or national level, one might call upon churches and other charitable organizations to mobilize their chapters to help alleviate shortages.
On an international level, I would be surprised if there were less than a million crates of baby formula scattered throughout the third world that could immediately be shipped back to the country of origin (USA).
The absurdity of this baby formula crisis is only exceeded by the foolishness of those are able but unwilling to nurse their own offspring.
This is not the fault nor responsibility of Mr. Biden. It is not a failing of our economy, capitalism or free trade. it is simply silliness on the part of those who cannot be bothered to be as human as their ancestors were.
Relying on third-party sources for your baby's nutrition is about as smart as Europe buying Russian gas. -- "Help me baby, ain't no stranger" -The Rolling Stones, Can’t You Hear Me Knocking
I would be knocking on neighbors doors and asking around until I found a nursing mother
During booking, beat cop tells his lieutenant, "This weirdo was beating on doors, searching for a new mother to molest."
Better stick to some kind of classifieds, be it Facebook, Craig's list, at church, or whatever. Or, even the local newspaper? If you still have one . . .
The heart of my journal was to suggest that there are a myriad of solutions and work-arounds for the formula shortage that do not require that we ask help from the government nor rely on greedy and self-serving corporations.
Reading the story, there's some interesting aspects: such as taking at least three months to restart the formula production plant without explanation for why it's taking so long. Or the industry recommendations against DIY baby formula rather than advising on how to make nutritional baby formula.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 14 2022, @09:12PM
(2 children)
by Anonymous Coward
on Saturday May 14 2022, @09:12PM (#1245009)
...without explanation for why it's taking so long.
It's like re-starting a huge clean-room. That's after you call the bankers, re-hire, re-train, re-start the supply chain, go through govt red tape. The virus showed that there are some things you just don't want to pause.
You don't derail a passenger train to save Fair Nell Fenwick, who's lashed to the tracks.
I imagine if we were to say, treat this as an engineering problem, we could just find the problem. And then fix the problem. Probably less than three months too.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 14 2022, @08:31PM
(5 children)
by Anonymous Coward
on Saturday May 14 2022, @08:31PM (#1245006)
Might suggest starting a journal entry about cooking-up healthful recipes. I haven't DuckDuck...Go'd, but if Bill Gates can make hamburgers out of the bats in his belfry, normal nutritionists should be able to help us cook-up what Abbott Labs was doing for years... until they were (coincidentally) shut down a few months ago. Just serve a little bacon and cheese on the side.
Well, I called my congressman And he said, quote: "I'd like to help you, son But you're too young to vote"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 14 2022, @08:42PM
(4 children)
by Anonymous Coward
on Saturday May 14 2022, @08:42PM (#1245007)
Then there's this line about Costello Labs, a little late for the above post. See, there's this Senate hearing where they're trying to draw up a unified scapegoat theory, but they never got to first base. Nevermind.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 15 2022, @12:34AM
(3 children)
by Anonymous Coward
on Sunday May 15 2022, @12:34AM (#1245035)
Anyone too young to vote will find your clever references far to oblique to follow. Who, what - I don't know. Maybe you could route them through that ancient (thirty-something now) Rain Man movie. And TBH here, it sounds like you might be a very good driver too.
Me - I only journal in peaceful protest, though mostly I try to be honest in them. This one was something of a troll, but no harm no foul. I only replied to khallow's troll (of my troll) to set the record straight somewhat.
As to recipes, most DC types roast their scapegoat, after which they typically serve up limitless pork - and bacon does go well with just about anything. Alas, I am allergic to dairy, so can only indulge in cheese but once per fortnight - and not furlong.
Saving some for next time... and keeping my high cards hidden.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 15 2022, @03:02AM
(2 children)
by Anonymous Coward
on Sunday May 15 2022, @03:02AM (#1245050)
Furlong! Sometimes we do things for ourselves. Yeah, gonna have to lay off the Rocky&Bullwinkle references. Clutch Cargo, though, has legs. And it all depends on how "cool" the room thinks it is. The Koran can prevent unwanted pregnancies... just hold it between your knees. A cellphone is too slippery.
Pollsters say that just about everyone is crushed by the pricks of all these little cuts. At least during WWII there was a common cause to bring more of the world together. (Here's one of those places were the ideas flowed like water from the sewer, and they ended up in the stack-o-stuff. It's not lost; maybe at Christmas.) Beauty and niceness are better, but don't ration 'em... we'll make more. Maybe baby food, too.
It's like a week or two ago, when Doctor-Doctor Fauci accidentally announced that our two-plus-year pain was fini, and I did a parody of Judy Holliday's song from "Bells Are Ringing." Then the next day everybody pretended he never said it. The Pandemic's over, it's time to get a real job...
(Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 13 2022, @11:23PM
by Anonymous Coward
on Friday May 13 2022, @11:23PM (#1244836)
I think she volunteered.
What does the Qur'an have to say about this? Will she be prevented from realizing her life-long goal of being a wet-nurse?
For dinner, I'm cooking steak marinaded in pineapple juice and soy sauce for 15 minutes, then cooked just shy of well done. Steak sauce is Primal Kitchen, which forever banished A1 from my steaks. For dessert, I have the pineapple rings from the can I got the juice from. A1 makes a good flavor for rice and beans.
While the nutritional and physical health benefits of breastfeeding are well established, accumulating research demonstrates the far-reaching psychological effects of breastfeeding on children and their mothers. Here, we provide a non-exhaustive review of the empirical evidence, showing that breastfeeding impacts children’s brain, cognitive, and socio-emotional development. In mothers, research is presented indicating that breastfeeding influences mood, affect, stress, and maternal care.
The problem is that studies like the ones referenced there tend to not take other factors into account, as covered partly in this article [theguardian.com]; when they are fully taken into account, the differences tend to be minute at best.
Your neighbor's pediatrician should have told her about the existence of milk banks, which distribute milk donated by mothers who are producing more milk than their baby can use and have been tested to ensure they're free from any communicable infections** or medication that can affect their milk. That's a much safer, more sanitary option than having another woman stick her breast in a newborn's mouth.
**From the NIH [nih.gov]: "The concern is about viral pathogens, known to be blood-borne pathogens, which have been identified in breast milk and include but are not limited to hepatitis B virus (HBV), hepatitis C virus (HCV), cytomegalovirus (CMV), West Nile virus, human T-cell lymphotropic virus (HTLV), and HIV."
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 13 2022, @04:00PM (13 children)
Baby formula is the modern equivalent of wet-nursing. In both cases you are paying someone else to feed your child.
The current problem is due to:
1) Over-consolidation of the market. There are laws against this precisely because it is a problem, but they haven't been enforced in decades.
2) Lack of basic maintenance by the provider has resulted in their production being halted. Again, largely because of lax regulation. In this case predatory investors forcing stock buy-backs for their own enrichment at the expense of both company viability and the other investors.
Losing your wet-nurse is just as problematic. The only difference is in the number of people affected. See point 1) for why that is and why those affected can't just switch providers, which should be easier than switching wet-nurses in a healthy market.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by DannyB on Friday May 13 2022, @04:09PM (1 child)
OMG! Are you daring to suggest . . . OMG . . . government regulation? Where the government takes some responsibility at a national level to ensure the common good? Such as having more than a couple infant formula providers?
What we need is more deregulation to combat the failures of deregulation!
Deregulation is like XML.
XML is like Violence: if it isn't working, use more!
Is there a chemotherapy treatment for excessively low blood alcohol level?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 15 2022, @04:07PM
As a proponent of free market capitalism, damned straight I recommend regulation. The critical elements are that those regulations need to be fair and focused on levelling the playing field and rooting out fraud and corruption rather than scoring political points or virtue signalling, and they need to be strictly enforced. As Adam Smith himself said, there is no greater threat to capitalism than a successful capitalist, because once they start buying off the government to favour themselves they destroy the market, and it becomes very difficult to get it back.
Maxim 6: If violence wasn't your last resort, you didn't resort to enough of it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 13 2022, @06:04PM (2 children)
If we are relying on "market" solutions...
What is keeping lactating women from hanging out shingles and charging market rates to feed infants?
How is it that nobody in Silly Con Valley is creating an app to link up hungry babies with will sucklers and taking a percentage?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 13 2022, @06:07PM (1 child)
The submit button changed "willing sucklers" into "will sucklers". There is a ghost in the machine!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 13 2022, @07:51PM
You may be closer to the truth than you know. Those who recall the green site may remember that in order to submit a comment one had to read a word CAPTCHA and type it into a text box before their comment was accepted. It seemed to me that the CAPTCHA word was frequently eerily prescient to the discussion. For example, if the discussion was about politics the CAPTCHA word may have been something like "elections" or "democracy". If the discussion was about science the CAPTCHA word might be something like "physics" or "biology". At times it could be downright creepy.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Friday May 13 2022, @09:02PM (6 children)
Sorry, but not it isn't. There is no formula on the market that meets baby's nutritional needs like mother's milk. The closest thing to mother's milk, is goat's milk*. Not cow's milk, but goat's milk. The various formulas are merely conveniences, which deprive both mother and baby of the all-important bonding through suckling.
Wet-nurses are a perfectly acceptable substitute for mother's own milk - except for the first few days, when mother is producing colstrum.
* While searching for a citation, I find that there are multiple opinions on the nutritional value of cow, goat, and human milk. I'll continue believing that goat milk is better than cow milk, but no one disputes that human milk is the best possible alternative. No man can manufacture what a woman can produce naturally.
Hail to the Nibbler in Chief.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday May 13 2022, @09:33PM
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7284997/ [nih.gov]
There it is - the key to goat milk's superiority is digestibility. Cow's milk is much harder for infants to digest.
Hail to the Nibbler in Chief.
(Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Sunday May 15 2022, @11:58AM
Cow's milk has a more salt than human milk. I don't know how goat's milk rates in salt content.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 15 2022, @04:22PM (1 child)
Of course it is. Wet-nursing is providing an alternative source when the mother is for any reason unable to provide by herself. Hiring another woman to do it is not the only way, especially among the lower classes.
There is no reason that baby formula can't be made from goat's milk, and there are a few suppliers. Human milk formula is more problematic due to politics and cost.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday May 15 2022, @04:57PM
I didn't realize that I was discussing this with one of the elites. Are you a 1%, or one of the real upper class of .01%?
If formula were being made from goat's milk (I'm sure it probably is - somewhere) it would be a major selling point. "Goat's milk, most like Mom's milk, and more easily digested than other formulas!" Personally, I don't recall any goat's milk formulas from my baby-raising days. I do recall feeding the boys real goat's milk, powdered goat's milk, cow's milk, and on a few occasions Similac. Yeah, we kept Similac on hand, for those times when nothing better was available.
FWIW, I found this site - https://pickyeaterblog.com/best-goat-milk-formula/ [pickyeaterblog.com] Anyone interested can follow links, and find goat milk baby formula easily enough.
Hail to the Nibbler in Chief.
(Score: 2) by Magic Oddball on Monday May 16 2022, @07:07AM (1 child)
Formula is, as the name implies, formulated specifically for the nutritional needs of human infants; on that level alone, it's a better option than the milk of other species. Human breastmilk is more beneficial than formula (or milk from other animals) primarily just in that it can provide short-term immune benefits, but that's regardless of whether it came straight from the mother's breast or a bottle.
Also, according to WebMD [webmd.com]: "Goat milk alone is not recommended for babies. The milk has…less folate than is necessary to meet a child's nutritional needs. Some studies also indicate that goat milk is associated with high rates of anemia."
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 16 2022, @01:15PM
Everybody who knows history knows that the best beast breast is that of the she-wolf [wikipedia.org].
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 15 2022, @06:47PM
The provider was accused and forced to shut down by the govt. They never found the problem in the facility... could've been a hundred other things. Regulation — like speed limit signs — won't fix things.
In my youth, I worked in restaurants... you know, those places where you feel queasy going in, and hope you feel better going out. People are remarkable animals, train 'em as well as you can, walk away for a half hour, and they're already trying to poison everyone within slinging distance. I suppose you could blame it on personal responsibility of management, but they have to sleep sometime, too. Then you have standards and practices and fail-safes and everybody who's ever breathed near your product. That's why I quit restaurants, and got into the lawn dart business. Next, let's do factories.
People... they keep everyone else's immune systems strong. Let's replace 'em all with intelligent robots.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by DannyB on Friday May 13 2022, @04:03PM (3 children)
A few examples of nursing in the Bible.
Now in modern times, from TFA above:
There is a simple and obvious solution! Again, science to the rescue!
Babycenter:
Can men breastfeed? [babycenter.com]
Scientific American:
Strange but True: Males Can Lactate [scientificamerican.com]
Remote work from home men can do and nurse they must because women go out of the house they must to pursue employment. Otherwise our economy, fail it will. Yes! Economic fail leads to the dark side.
Men nursing seems a simple, obvious and natural solution to a modern problem.
<no-sarcasm>What is our world coming to.</no-sarcasm>
Gallagher from early 80s: Dishwashing soap made with real lemons, lemonade artificially flavored.
Is there a chemotherapy treatment for excessively low blood alcohol level?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 13 2022, @05:50PM (2 children)
Dude... Let us know how well that works out for you.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 13 2022, @06:38PM (1 child)
Grow a sense of humor.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 13 2022, @06:49PM
Back atchya!
(Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 13 2022, @04:25PM (3 children)
...and take note of an actual historian:
https://twitter.com/Cevasco_Carla/status/1524534926430904320 [twitter.com]
NOTE: Sources cited in that thread.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 13 2022, @05:47PM (2 children)
A verity does not lose its veracity merely because it appears in a Sky-Fairy scripture, nor can a single sentence encompass all truths.
Reflection is indispensable.
-nostyle
(Score: 2) by Freeman on Monday May 16 2022, @02:00PM
Oops, sorry, didn't mean to mark Troll.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 19 2022, @04:00AM
Nah, as we've seen in these parts, killing the messenger is always the best policy.
(Score: 3, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Friday May 13 2022, @04:48PM
12-15% of women experience issues with breastfeeding. [thecut.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 13 2022, @06:45PM (1 child)
And produce a dozen companies trying to fill the need, just be patient and don't be a crybaby, though you can now cry over spilled milk, seeing how precious it is.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 13 2022, @07:40PM
Yes, I have no doubt that there may be a dozen or so companies willing and able to fill this need. In a few years. Meanwhile, what do we do about all these hungry babies needing to be fed RIGHT NOW? And, yes, we currently have a lot of "crybabies" quite literally crying over spilled milk right now. I'm sure their mothers are concerned.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Friday May 13 2022, @11:15PM (15 children)
Those do sound like pretty solid arguments to me. You have a rebuttal to that?
And in line with all the modest proposals out there recently, if we're going to limit child rearing to only the people who can arrange for nursing from a human woman, maybe we should just ban the practice outright? It's creating unnecessary complications, such as in our Koran, that we can eliminate by just not having children in the first place.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by nostyle on Saturday May 14 2022, @02:02AM (13 children)
I will accept being trolled - just this once.
The media want you to believe that every problem you face can only be solved by the government or some corporation.
The heart of my journal was to suggest that there are a myriad of solutions and work-arounds for the formula shortage that do not require that we ask help from the government nor rely on greedy and self-serving corporations.
If I were a parent with a hungry baby trying to solve it "locally", I would be knocking on neighbors doors and asking around until I found a nursing mother who I could hire to help wet-nurse my child. Neighbors are not our enemies.
Solving it on a "community" level might involve approaching a local food bank and/or setting up a breast-milk exchange on some local social media. Every nursing mother I've met over the past ten years has a freezer-full of pumped breast milk in stock.
On a state or national level, one might call upon churches and other charitable organizations to mobilize their chapters to help alleviate shortages.
On an international level, I would be surprised if there were less than a million crates of baby formula scattered throughout the third world that could immediately be shipped back to the country of origin (USA).
The absurdity of this baby formula crisis is only exceeded by the foolishness of those are able but unwilling to nurse their own offspring.
This is not the fault nor responsibility of Mr. Biden. It is not a failing of our economy, capitalism or free trade. it is simply silliness on the part of those who cannot be bothered to be as human as their ancestors were.
Relying on third-party sources for your baby's nutrition is about as smart as Europe buying Russian gas.
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"Help me baby, ain't no stranger" -The Rolling Stones, Can’t You Hear Me Knocking
(Score: 3, Touché) by Runaway1956 on Saturday May 14 2022, @03:13AM (2 children)
Great post - but you put a real funny in there.
During booking, beat cop tells his lieutenant, "This weirdo was beating on doors, searching for a new mother to molest."
Better stick to some kind of classifieds, be it Facebook, Craig's list, at church, or whatever. Or, even the local newspaper? If you still have one . . .
Hail to the Nibbler in Chief.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 14 2022, @04:19AM (1 child)
Cute twist. Ha ha.
Actually, I talk to my neighbors and ask around for things all the time. Never had a problem.
Then again, I don't live in Arkansas.;)
-nostyle
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 14 2022, @07:10AM
Here [foxnews.com] is what they do when you knock on the door in Arkansas.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday May 14 2022, @06:01AM (3 children)
Reading the story, there's some interesting aspects: such as taking at least three months to restart the formula production plant without explanation for why it's taking so long. Or the industry recommendations against DIY baby formula rather than advising on how to make nutritional baby formula.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 14 2022, @09:12PM (2 children)
It's like re-starting a huge clean-room. That's after you call the bankers, re-hire, re-train, re-start the supply chain, go through govt red tape. The virus showed that there are some things you just don't want to pause.
You don't derail a passenger train to save Fair Nell Fenwick, who's lashed to the tracks.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday May 18 2022, @02:05AM (1 child)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 19 2022, @03:34AM
Biden Finally Invokes Defense Production Act on Baby Formula After Months of Failure [breitbart.com]
Prediction: Zero results beyond what the regular supply chain is working on. Zero positive results, anyway.
It's time for somebody to re-read "The Mythical Man-Month" by Fred Brooks.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 14 2022, @08:31PM (5 children)
Might suggest starting a journal entry about cooking-up healthful recipes. I haven't DuckDuck...Go'd, but if Bill Gates can make hamburgers out of the bats in his belfry, normal nutritionists should be able to help us cook-up what Abbott Labs was doing for years... until they were (coincidentally) shut down a few months ago. Just serve a little bacon and cheese on the side.
Well, I called my congressman
And he said, quote:
"I'd like to help you, son
But you're too young to vote"
= Summertime Blues - Eddie Cochran
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 14 2022, @08:42PM (4 children)
Then there's this line about Costello Labs, a little late for the above post. See, there's this Senate hearing where they're trying to draw up a unified scapegoat theory, but they never got to first base. Nevermind.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 15 2022, @12:34AM (3 children)
Anyone too young to vote will find your clever references far to oblique to follow. Who, what - I don't know. Maybe you could route them through that ancient (thirty-something now) Rain Man movie. And TBH here, it sounds like you might be a very good driver too.
Me - I only journal in peaceful protest, though mostly I try to be honest in them. This one was something of a troll, but no harm no foul. I only replied to khallow's troll (of my troll) to set the record straight somewhat.
As to recipes, most DC types roast their scapegoat, after which they typically serve up limitless pork - and bacon does go well with just about anything. Alas, I am allergic to dairy, so can only indulge in cheese but once per fortnight - and not furlong.
Saving some for next time... and keeping my high cards hidden.
-nostyle
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 15 2022, @03:02AM (2 children)
Furlong! Sometimes we do things for ourselves. Yeah, gonna have to lay off the Rocky&Bullwinkle references. Clutch Cargo, though, has legs. And it all depends on how "cool" the room thinks it is. The Koran can prevent unwanted pregnancies... just hold it between your knees. A cellphone is too slippery.
Pollsters say that just about everyone is crushed by the pricks of all these little cuts. At least during WWII there was a common cause to bring more of the world together. (Here's one of those places were the ideas flowed like water from the sewer, and they ended up in the stack-o-stuff. It's not lost; maybe at Christmas.) Beauty and niceness are better, but don't ration 'em... we'll make more. Maybe baby food, too.
It's like a week or two ago, when Doctor-Doctor Fauci accidentally announced that our two-plus-year pain was fini, and I did a parody of Judy Holliday's song from "Bells Are Ringing." Then the next day everybody pretended he never said it. The Pandemic's over, it's time to get a real job...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 15 2022, @05:13AM (1 child)
Enjoy the roses. Ignore the pricks.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 15 2022, @06:28PM
The world needs seven times more of George Carlin, and seven times less of... there are so many things one can categorize as the anti-George Carlin.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 14 2022, @02:16AM
Oh, ...and I forgot to add:
Nicely trolled, sir.
-nostyle
(Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 13 2022, @11:23PM
I think she volunteered.
What does the Qur'an have to say about this? Will she be prevented from realizing her life-long goal of being a wet-nurse?
For dinner, I'm cooking steak marinaded in pineapple juice and soy sauce for 15 minutes, then cooked just shy of well done. Steak sauce is Primal Kitchen, which forever banished A1 from my steaks. For dessert, I have the pineapple rings from the can I got the juice from. A1 makes a good flavor for rice and beans.
(Score: 2) by Mojibake Tengu on Saturday May 14 2022, @03:30AM (1 child)
Your wife be praised!
The edge of 太玄 cannot be defined, for it is beyond every aspect of design
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 14 2022, @04:11AM
-nostyle's wife sez:
"Oh that's sweet!... so u guys aren't that bad after all"
(Score: 2) by mrpg on Saturday May 14 2022, @07:05PM (1 child)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6096620/ [nih.gov]
While the nutritional and physical health benefits of breastfeeding are well established, accumulating research demonstrates the far-reaching psychological effects of breastfeeding on children and their mothers. Here, we provide a non-exhaustive review of the empirical evidence, showing that breastfeeding impacts children’s brain, cognitive, and socio-emotional development. In mothers, research is presented indicating that breastfeeding influences mood, affect, stress, and maternal care.
(Score: 2) by Magic Oddball on Monday May 16 2022, @07:30AM
The problem is that studies like the ones referenced there tend to not take other factors into account, as covered partly in this article [theguardian.com]; when they are fully taken into account, the differences tend to be minute at best.
(Score: 2) by Magic Oddball on Monday May 16 2022, @07:21AM (2 children)
Your neighbor's pediatrician should have told her about the existence of milk banks, which distribute milk donated by mothers who are producing more milk than their baby can use and have been tested to ensure they're free from any communicable infections** or medication that can affect their milk. That's a much safer, more sanitary option than having another woman stick her breast in a newborn's mouth.
**From the NIH [nih.gov]: "The concern is about viral pathogens, known to be blood-borne pathogens, which have been identified in breast milk and include but are not limited to hepatitis B virus (HBV), hepatitis C virus (HCV), cytomegalovirus (CMV), West Nile virus, human T-cell lymphotropic virus (HTLV), and HIV."
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 16 2022, @01:51PM
What are you saying about my wife?
"KEEP MY WIFE'S
NAMEBREASTS OUT OF YOUR F***ING MOUTH" - [whap!!!]-nostyle
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So sorry yo mamma was a crack-ho.
(Score: 2) by Freeman on Monday May 16 2022, @02:03PM
One can hope that a mother who is nursing her baby, doesn't have any of those.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"