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posted by janrinok on Wednesday November 19 2014, @11:25AM   Printer-friendly
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Ian Jackson's general resolution to prevent init system coupling has failed to pass, the majority vote deciding that the resolution is unnecessary. This means that not only will Debian's default init be systemd, but packages will not be required to support other init systems. Presumably, this means that using other init systems on Debian (without using systemd as a base) will not be possible without major workarounds, or possibly at all. It also leaves the future of Debian projects such as kFreeBSD unclear, as systemd is linux specific.

The vote results can be found here

The winners are:

Option 4 "General Resolution is not required"

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  • (Score: 1) by Fauxlosopher on Wednesday November 19 2014, @03:24PM

    by Fauxlosopher (4804) on Wednesday November 19 2014, @03:24PM (#117708) Journal

    how does the present situation mandate that in order to avoid systemd, anybody HAS to jump ship NOW?

    To turn your question around as an answer: why must those who see systemd as a sinking ship stick around? If systemd is seen as a critical flaw, then why spend any more time than necessary with an organization that does not share your goals?

    The more admins that jump ship now, the more options and support for the same may be available later.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 19 2014, @06:53PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 19 2014, @06:53PM (#117799)

    Debian worked superbly for decades without systemd.

    It's only within the past year that systemd has come along, and completely ruined Debian.

    Systemd is the problem. It is just a really big bug, basically. If systemd is removed, then the bug is fixed, and everything is good again.

    Systemd and its supporters should obviously be the ones to leave. They should move to using Fedora instead, and leave Debian alone.

    • (Score: 1) by Fauxlosopher on Thursday November 20 2014, @08:38AM

      by Fauxlosopher (4804) on Thursday November 20 2014, @08:38AM (#118045) Journal

      I agree that systemd is the problem, and that up until recently, Debian worked just fine. (Slackware and Debian are the two distros I've chosen to use most often.)

      The progression of events, including this most recent vote, appear to suggest that those who are actually holding Debian's reins do not agree with us, and that they desire that systemd be included in Debian going forward. The risk that I and others see is that systemd will soon cease to be an option, and will become mandatory. Combined with questionable-at-best design decisions such as binary logs, the justification offered to replace the entire init system is completely farsical. First-time init script setup admittedly can be a bit crufty in certain situations, but in those same situations, almost the entirety of the initial system configuration could be considered crufty - for that reason, others hire people like myself to take care of those systems for them, and for anyone with a modicum of familirarity with Linux basics, init script customization is so far down the list of annoyances as to not even register on the radar.

      To administrative "end users" like myself, systemd came out of nowhere to solve a problem that didn't exist and also created tremendous uncertainty in the process.

      Thus, the only obvious solution for those in my situation is to jettison Debian now, and focus on traditionalist Linux distributions... and/or investigate the BSDs.