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The NYT reports that city officials say that beginning in 2015 thousands of payphones across New York City will be converted into Wi-Fi hot spots, providing free Internet access, free domestic calls using cellphones or a built-in keypad, a charging station for mobile devices and access to city services and directions. “It’s going to help us close the digital divide,” says Maya Wiley, counsel to the mayor, noting that low-income people, particularly blacks and Latinos, rely disproportionately on cellphone browsing to get online (PDF) and data charges can add up. The network will be 100 times as fast as average municipal Wi-Fi systems, so a two-hour movie can be downloaded in about 30 seconds. The kiosks’ Wi-Fi range will extend 150 feet in any direction and up to 250 devices will be able to use the network at each kiosk without diminishing service. The city hopes to install about 10,000 kiosks, each about 9.5 feet high and less than a foot wide. The first 500 CityBridge sites will be available by late 2015 to early 2016, with the construction expected to go on for six years. The contract would last for 15 years.
A successful pilot project has been in operation since 2012 but some elected officials have expressed reservations about the city’s decision to entrust the final product to CityBridge, a consortium made up of companies including Qualcomm, Comark, Control Group and Titan calling it a monopolistic arrangement. “Instead of trying to rush the process, the administration should seek a new authorizing resolution from the City Council that contemplates multiple companies,” says Letitia James, the city’s public advocate. For her part, Wiley says that she is prepared for lawsuits against the city. “In my legal opinion,” says Wiley, “this is the coolest thing ever.”
(Score: 2) by cmn32480 on Wednesday November 19 2014, @05:51PM
That means when all those people try to download that movie in 30 seconds all at once.... the whole thing goes to 14.4 modem speeds for all.
It'll be interesting to see how viable this actually is once it gets implemented as more than a relatively small pilot.
One question that I could not find the answers for in the linked articles was what piece of the spectrum is it going to run on? 2.4GHz? 5GHz? Will it only be 802.11ac? Gigabit speeds would almost require that.
An interesting project for sure.
"It's a dog eat dog world, and I'm wearing Milkbone underwear" - Norm Peterson
(Score: 3, Interesting) by GungnirSniper on Wednesday November 19 2014, @06:24PM
I'm seeing plenty of semi-open Comcast routers for their free (piggybacked) WiFi around my area, and it doesn't seem to be causing disruption to others using it because so few actually will download or stream on it.
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(Score: 2) by cmn32480 on Wednesday November 19 2014, @06:54PM
I would agree, but in TFS there is reference to the use of this in poorer neighborhoods where cellular access and data are the primary avenue of internet access. Get enough people on it, OR have people streaming Netflix, Hulu, etc, over it and you will start to see issues.
Get some people with 802.11b/g only phones and it slows the response of the AP to all the devices on that node. I'm also curious as to the setup from the wireless side. Are they killing off any tech short of 802.11n? OR will tehy allow users on for 802.11a and 802.11g, but kill off all 802.11b devices?
So many unanswered questions. And what limited Googeling that I have done has not revealed much info as to how these hot spots are set up.
"It's a dog eat dog world, and I'm wearing Milkbone underwear" - Norm Peterson
(Score: 2) by frojack on Thursday November 20 2014, @12:19AM
This slow-down with mixed bg on N is a figment of older routers with insufficient antennas.
It it not necessarily going to be a problem with newer routers with multiple independent antenna arrays.
No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
(Score: 2) by cmn32480 on Thursday November 20 2014, @04:35PM
That is only correct is they are using multiple antenna arrays (like you would find on a cellular tower). It they are using a single set of antenna arrays in the unit, you are subject to massive congestion and slowdowns from older devices. Using older devices you will find that the data push is less due to the limitations of g wireless and the AP having to change transmission techologies to accommodate them.
The data throughput with 802.11ac on the 5GHz spectrum does not have an equivalent in the 802.11b/g/n on the 2.4GHz spectrum due to the massive difference in the number of available channels.
The only devices that are going to see the "Gigabit" wireless that is touted in the article are the newest 802.11ac devices. Anybody who buys a laptop or tablet with only 802.11n or that has a device that is a year or two old but is perfectly serviceable is going to be stuck.
"It's a dog eat dog world, and I'm wearing Milkbone underwear" - Norm Peterson
(Score: 2) by frojack on Thursday November 20 2014, @09:18PM
It they are using a single set of antenna arrays in the unit,
First there is no such thing as a Single Set of Arrays. Its self contradictory.
Some models of APs have solved this problem by segregating the channels.
Second, Worst case ALL you need it two APs/antennas, One cheap as dirt one for B/G, and one for N.
This prevents slowing down N when a BG connects. B/G only devices need never be offered the ability to associate with those frequencies that are reserved for use with N.
No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Kilo110 on Wednesday November 19 2014, @06:00PM
Yup, I'm sure the government will absolutely not use it to track every phone/person in the city. Nope. Never.
/sarcasm
(Score: 2, Informative) by bob_super on Wednesday November 19 2014, @06:16PM
31 minutes from story post to first Gubmint Paranoia post... bit slower than I had guessed.
Seriously, how much more spying information will this provide compared to the existing phone/WiFi networks, when most people have unsafe OS/apps and GPS on?
The NSA would likely be interested (MOAR DATA!), but I doubt there's much actual value, regardless of the intended conspiracy use.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Kilo110 on Wednesday November 19 2014, @07:25PM
So you don't see the potential for abuse here?
I doubt NYC officials have access to NSA or Apple's data, but they can probably access this without much issue.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Tork on Wednesday November 19 2014, @09:30PM
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 20 2014, @01:23AM
It doesn't matter if it is valuable to the NSA, it matters if it is valuable to the people to the people being spyed on.
Pervasive surveillance stifles free thought. If you know someone is looking over your shoulder, recording everything they see you do, it doesn't matter how innocent your actions are the weight of their stare is a drag that will restrain you.
(Score: 2) by cafebabe on Thursday November 20 2014, @03:43AM
It is better to frame the argument in terms of false positives and false negatives. A false negative is devastating but rare. However, false positives are adversely affecting innocent people on a daily basis. For example, a wife searching for pressure cookers and a husband searching for rucksacks led to a SWAT team busting down their door because, like, that's what terrorists search for.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 20 2014, @04:27AM
> It is better to frame the argument in terms of false positives and false negatives.
Is it? Only if the people you are talking to have never felt the yoke of social disapproval before.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 19 2014, @06:35PM
After the fake outrage a few weeks ago with Titan and the (probably) city approved bluetooth tracking, will this reappear in a similar form?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 19 2014, @06:50PM
> Will the city prohibit tracking in contract?
I can't see that happening. While I have not read the details I am simply unable to imagine a commercial enterprise that hasn't factored in tracking as their primary source of revenue. I bet we'll find that they even go so far as to block access to TOR and well known VPN services in order to protect their business model. I expect it will be spun as stopping copyright terrorists.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday November 19 2014, @08:29PM
I've been working on an app for the homeless in NYC. basically we take donated smartphones, flash them, and install our app to help them find what they need, communicate, and stay connected. one of the challenges has been connectivity. we were thinking of implementing ad-hoc mesh networking a la FireChat, but this would make it much easier.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 19 2014, @08:49PM
Free and ubiquitous wifi is an enormously valuable public good, like game-changing in scope for all classes of society. But it has the potential to literally decimate the profits of the wireless phone companies so we can expect them to go full-frontal on it at a level that makes the net-neutrality fight look like a game of 3rd-grade dodgeball.
(Score: 2) by WillR on Wednesday November 19 2014, @08:44PM