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posted by janrinok on Tuesday May 24 2022, @10:12AM   Printer-friendly
from the talk-to-me-of-Mendocino dept.

AMD has announced "Mendocino", a mid-range chip for Windows and ChromeOS laptops that will launch in Q4 2022. The Mendocino die has a quad-core Zen 2 CPU and an unspecified amount of RDNA2 graphics cores, and uses LPDDR5 memory. It looks similar if not identical to the Van Gogh chip used in Valve's Steam Deck, except that it uses TSMC's "6nm" process instead of "7nm".

Seeing AMD planning to mint a new Zen 2-based APU in late 2022 is at first blush an unusual announcement, especially since the company is already two generations into mobile Zen 3. But for the low-end market it makes a fair bit of sense. Architecturally, Zen 3's CPU complexes (CCXes) are optimized for 8C designs; when AMD needs fewer cores than that (e.g. Ryzen 3 5400U), they've been using salvaged 8C dies. For Zen 2, on the other hand, the native CCX size is 4, which allows AMD to quickly (and cheaply) design an SoC based on existing IP blocks, as opposed to engineering a proper 4C Zen 3 CCX.

AMD's Ryzen 7000 series of desktop CPUs will launch this fall on a new AM5 socket, with a Land Grid Array (LGA) design. The heat spreader for the CPUs has cutouts on the top for capacitors, while the back is completely covered with pads (not pins like on AM4 CPUs). AM5 CPUs will only use dual-channel DDR5 memory, with no mixed DDR4/DDR5 support like Intel's latest Alder Lake CPUs.

Three new chipsets have been announced for the first AM5 motherboards: X670E (the 'E' is for "Extreme"), X670, and B650. These are differentiated primarily by the guaranteed level of support for PCIe 5.0 devices. X670E should support up to two PCIe 5.0 graphics card slots and multiple PCIe 5.0 SSDs, whereas B650 may only support a single PCIe 5.0 SSD, using PCIe 3/4 elsewhere. PCIe 5.0 x4 supports theoretical sequential read speeds of 16 GB/s, with SSDs in the real world likely reaching 14 GB/s.

The "6nm" I/O die inside Ryzen 7000 CPUs will include integrated RDNA2 graphics (again, an unspecified amount) and support up to 4 display outputs, including HDMI 2.1/DisplayPort 2.0. The move from a "14nm" GlobalFoundries I/O die down to TSMC "6nm" along with other improvements will likely lower idle power consumption.

L2 cache per Zen 4 core has been doubled to 1 MiB from Zen 3. A 16-core Ryzen 7000 chip was demonstrated boosting up to 5.5 GHz (single core), which could account for the majority of the CPU's performance increase given that AMD is currently only claiming a ">15% single-thread uplift" vs. Zen 3. The higher clock speeds could be due to the use of TSMC's "5nm" process for CPU cores, as well as a higher 170 Watt TDP/PPT. The CPUs will also include "expanded instructions" for "AI acceleration", which may refer to formats like bfloat16 and int8/int4, if not AVX-512.

See also: The Steam Deck APU gets a 6nm refresh to power AMD's best-in-class budget laptops


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  • (Score: 2) by takyon on Wednesday May 25 2022, @11:00PM (1 child)

    by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Wednesday May 25 2022, @11:00PM (#1247870) Journal

    Foveated rendering will alleviate VR's bandwidth problems.

    Game developers were always tied to the minimum specs of the latest and previous console generations. Which until recently meant a relatively weak 8-core AMD Jaguar CPU, 8 GB of total system memory, slow HDD, etc. The faster-than-SATA SSDs in the latest consoles are the most important new feature for game developers, as they can "stream in" assets rapidly, and games no longer have to be optimized for HDDs with tricks like duplicating data in several places. These SSDs will clearly benefit open world games like The Elder Scrolls VI. The Zen 2 8-core CPU is around 4-5 times faster than 8-core Jaguar, not counting various accelerators.

    With resolution, there is a lot of wiggle room. Console games are targeting 4K/60 in some cases, but can upscale from a lower resolution like 1440p/1800p if needed. The Steam Survey shows that 1080p is still the most popular resolution. 1080p/60 is the target for many people, and that's usually reachable with older GPUs and upcoming APUs (Rembrandt 12 CU and greater). If the going gets tough, some will settle for 1080p/30 or 720p/30.

    Games can easily target all of those at once, which is why you see Elden Ring running on a Steam Deck.

    Despite shortages, many XSX/PS5 units have sold. For example, PS5 initially outsold the PS4 in its first year but the rate has since fallen behind. We're still in a transition period with some games being released for the previous generation, but that won't last. SSDs will become a recommended/minimum spec to run certain games, if not strictly required (a large amount of RAM could get around the requirement).

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  • (Score: 2) by RamiK on Thursday May 26 2022, @10:43AM

    by RamiK (1813) on Thursday May 26 2022, @10:43AM (#1247964)

    We're still in a transition period with some games being released for the previous generation, but that won't last.

    Fuck I'm getting 2018 MDC flashbacks: https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=28879&page=1&cid=769728#commentwrap [soylentnews.org]

    Ironically I don't think I gamed more than a dozen hours throughout those years... Incidentally, have a free book: https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/oa-mono/10.1201/9781003181378/developing-graphics-frameworks-python-opengl-lee-stemkoski-michael-pascale [taylorfrancis.com]

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