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[Ed's Comment: Not wishing to ignite yet another flame war regarding the adoption of systemd, I hesitated before publishing this story. However, although it is not an formal survey, it might still reflect the views of the greater linux user community rather than those who frequent this particular site. There is no need to restate the arguments seen over the last few weeks - they are well known and understood - but the survey might have a point.]
http://q5sys.sh has recenlty conducted a survey finding many Linux users may be in favour of systemd:
First off lets keep one thing in mind, this was not a professional survey. As such the results need to be taken as nothing more than the opinions of the 4755 individuals who responded. While the survey responses show that 47% of the respondents are in favor of systemd, that does not mean that 47% of the overall linux community is in favor of systemd. The actual value may be higher or lower. This is simply a small capture of our overall community.
Although the author questions the results could this be an indication that we're really seeing a vocal minority who don't want systemd while the silent majority either do or simply don't care? Poll results and the original blog post.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 20 2014, @09:45PM
Any poll that does not measure the strength of people's convictions is going to be misleading.
For example, the oft cited poll [washingtonpost.com] that shows 75% of NRA members support universal background checks as do 91% of Americans in general. What that poll does not reveal is just weakly those people want background checks - it is easy to agree to something that appears to have no consequences and requires no effort. But the minute you ask these people to do something to make universal background checks happen, like call their congressional representatives, nobody can be bothered. They just don't care that much.
Ignoring all the problems with this systemd poll being unscientific (self-selecting sample, etc) even if that part was OK, they still didn't ask the questions that matter like "would you want systemd if it meant X" where X is list of downsides that are part of systemd's design and implementation.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by tibman on Thursday November 20 2014, @10:05PM
It seems like most of the reasons to not use systemd are technical and ideological. If you are neither of these things then you just don't care. An end-user who never reads their logs simply doesn't care what format a log file is in. Trying to make a survey where most of the questions are about things people simply don't care about will end with some wacky results.
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(Score: 2) by choose another one on Friday November 21 2014, @10:58AM
Actually one of the common reasons I have seen stated is "because of who it is written by" - which is one of the things that is really odd (and disturbing) about the debate.
One person seems to have become the new Microsoft where everything they produce must be bad simply because it is produced by them. I just don't get how that can be a rational conclusion by a technical mind, if there was a rational technical argument then it seems to have been long buried under what appears to be a very personal hatred.
(Score: 2) by tibman on Friday November 21 2014, @03:31PM
Miguel de Icaza is the same way. Though he actually does work for Microsoft (now).
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(Score: 1) by jmorris on Friday November 21 2014, @08:02PM
By their fruits shall ye know them.
PulseAudio still does not work. My Thinkpad has no end of issues due to it. It still doesn't have a real reason to exist yet, mostly because of GNOME's dependency, almost every system installs it by default. Some see a bad design pattern repeating.
And once you actually LOOK at systemd the reasons to dislike it are easy to find. Even if you think adopting svchost and event logging from Windows is a good idea, the implementation in systemd is substandard. I don't think it is a good idea so wouldn't like it if DJB himself dropped GPL code with his usual mathematical proof of correctness from his Cathedral.
(Score: 2) by efitton on Friday November 21 2014, @11:38AM
You make a good point. That said, self-selecting sample would be the even bigger problem. You can't use statistics of any sort on a self-selected sample. Random samples or it doesn't count. (Ok, matched pair in a few isolated cases but 99+% of the time).