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[Ed's Comment: Not wishing to ignite yet another flame war regarding the adoption of systemd, I hesitated before publishing this story. However, although it is not an formal survey, it might still reflect the views of the greater linux user community rather than those who frequent this particular site. There is no need to restate the arguments seen over the last few weeks - they are well known and understood - but the survey might have a point.]
http://q5sys.sh has recenlty conducted a survey finding many Linux users may be in favour of systemd:
First off lets keep one thing in mind, this was not a professional survey. As such the results need to be taken as nothing more than the opinions of the 4755 individuals who responded. While the survey responses show that 47% of the respondents are in favor of systemd, that does not mean that 47% of the overall linux community is in favor of systemd. The actual value may be higher or lower. This is simply a small capture of our overall community.
Although the author questions the results could this be an indication that we're really seeing a vocal minority who don't want systemd while the silent majority either do or simply don't care? Poll results and the original blog post.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by MrGuy on Thursday November 20 2014, @10:01PM
Linux is getting to the point where a majority of Linux users are not Linux hackers. They are people who care that it works, not how it works. Those people are not up in arms about systemd, not because they strongly favor the other side ("systemd is WAY better and you're a fool if you don't embrace it"), but rather because they don't care ("meh - seems to work, makes nothing I interact with regularly worse and some things maybe better.")
Most users do NOT CARE how elegant the design under the hood is.
The people who care, both pro AND con, will pretty much always from here on out be a vocal minority of the overall USER community. Not just about this issue, but about most issues. Because the subset of the linux user community that are also part of the linux developer community is shrinking as the userbase expands.
This means the statements "over 80% of linux developers are opposed to X!" and "less than 25% of the linux user community are opposed to X!" could simultaneously be true (numbers made up on the spot for illustration purposes only).
The more interesting question, to me, is whether the decision making should be driven by the user community, or the developer community. In cases like systemd, when we're talking about a decision with major architectural implications, personally I listen to the developers. That said, there are a number of decisions (for example, around look and feel) when the opinion of the using community is probably the more important voice.
(Score: 2) by isostatic on Thursday November 20 2014, @11:07PM
But it's clear that the developers want systemd. Nobody is forcing people to develop for systemd, no one is prwventing a fork of Debian to eliminate systemd.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 20 2014, @11:15PM
Debian shouldn't be forked to remove systemd. Debian should have been forked for those who want it to include systemd.
A two-decade-old community of millions of users shouldn't be held hostage, and then have their computers trashed, by the small handful of idiots who are too dumb and inexperienced to realize how fucking awful systemd really is.
(Score: 2) by isostatic on Friday November 21 2014, @09:50PM
But the developers disagree with us. Fortunately the minority of developers can fork and call it "traditional Debian" or something.
Reality is most developers for some inexplicable reason want systemd.
Just like we got fed up with beta and forked and supported SN.
(Score: 1) by Nuke on Friday November 21 2014, @02:15PM
Like another commenter here suggested, when I first heard of a Debian fork in the context of systemd I thought that people were talking about systemd being the fork, as it was so radical. I was astonished when I realised that the non-adoption of systemd was supposed to be the fork.
(Score: 2) by isostatic on Friday November 21 2014, @02:26PM
Does it really matter?
And no, the majority of Debian developers like systemd. Those that don't can leave and develop their own Debian. With blackjack, and hookers.
(Score: 2) by marcello_dl on Friday November 21 2014, @12:17AM
I tried out jessie many months ago, was not satisfied, likely because it was too early (no systemd specific problems, IIRC driver for old ati card was not stable, but no noticeable gains in performance/boot time either), got back to wheezy. No problems because pre systemd wheezy just worked, so, since "I do NOT CARE how elegant the design under the hood is", I don't think that systemd is justified by its making stuff work. It is justified by its making stuff work *in some way*, and time will tell if somebody will get advantage of systemd way or if all the fuss about it was paranoid... oh, I mean, unjustified. Paranoids means "eventually right", lately.