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[Ed's Comment: Not wishing to ignite yet another flame war regarding the adoption of systemd, I hesitated before publishing this story. However, although it is not an formal survey, it might still reflect the views of the greater linux user community rather than those who frequent this particular site. There is no need to restate the arguments seen over the last few weeks - they are well known and understood - but the survey might have a point.]
http://q5sys.sh has recenlty conducted a survey finding many Linux users may be in favour of systemd:
First off lets keep one thing in mind, this was not a professional survey. As such the results need to be taken as nothing more than the opinions of the 4755 individuals who responded. While the survey responses show that 47% of the respondents are in favor of systemd, that does not mean that 47% of the overall linux community is in favor of systemd. The actual value may be higher or lower. This is simply a small capture of our overall community.
Although the author questions the results could this be an indication that we're really seeing a vocal minority who don't want systemd while the silent majority either do or simply don't care? Poll results and the original blog post.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Arik on Thursday November 20 2014, @10:18PM
For the moment the main effect I can see is to make the freedesktop.org stuff less relevant to anyone that cares about portability.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 21 2014, @06:44AM
init scripts were crap, but systemd sure doesn't look like it'll improve stuff. Nor does it look like things will really get better. Lennart has bad taste in design- binary log files, monolithic tightly coupled code etc. It's like a chef with bad taste. The guy will continue producing stuff like that and think it's good.
(Score: 2) by Arik on Friday November 21 2014, @07:01PM
I like the analogy. I see too many people saying things that, even if not meant that way, can certainly be portrayed as personal attacks on the man, and I do not want to come off that way myself. He's obviously a very smart and talented man. Perhaps too arrogant and sure of himself though.
Like a chef that cooks an absolutely stunning meal, that clearly very few could even begin to rival, but... his main dish is roast pork and the event he is catering is called "Passover."
Oy vey.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 1) by jmorris on Friday November 21 2014, @07:21PM
Yup. Which is why I always say that if he hates UNIX (he says he does) he should contribute to ReactOS. They would likely welcome the help. But it isn't a big enough project for his ego. He will instead singlehandedly 'fix' Linux, curing it of it's UNIX taint.
Systemd is -not- about the init, it aspires to and is quickly realizing, it is nothing less than a brand new 'OS in userspace.' Replacing all of the device drivers in Linux is simply not possible, but as Google showed you can just take the kernel as a huge hardware abstraction layer and build almost any OS atop it. Pottering learned from that.
Sooner or later Windows itself will sit atop it as the burden of maintaining device driver support becomes more expensive than the alternative of just letting Linus and his merry band deal with it. Eventually *BSD might even run the Linux kernel with a BSD userspace for the same reason. (Apple doesn't support the universe of hardware that would drive that decision process, they can stay on BSD.)
Polls are unreliable on this since the future isn't going to be determined by votes. It will be determined by level of intensity, 90% could vote that they dislike systemd but RedHat will not care and unless feet vote, unless developers migrate, unless donors step up with server space for forked UNIX like Linux variants to reappear they are right not to. Given sufficient intensity, forking will occur if only 10% do not want to abandon The UNIX Way.
Given almost 40% voting to retain UNIX ways in the recent Debian voting, my money is on forks. I'd like to see forks and have BOTH forks survive. The refugees are out there and they must have a home so let them take a fork and build their Windows/Mac clone atop a Linux kernel. And be happy, productive and put good code into repositories. And let us UNIX folk return to building our own world, taking ideas from the PotteringOS side when we like them and they taking our ideas and code when they like the design.
(Score: 2) by Arik on Friday November 21 2014, @08:19PM
He insists that GDM has to pull in X and all of GNOME to do a simple login, because that's all required for his screen reader. So, blind people don't get access to a primary shell? Talk about second-class citizens. I think I would have made a screen reader with a lot fewer requirements, but then again I don't hate blind people.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?