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[Ed's Comment: Not wishing to ignite yet another flame war regarding the adoption of systemd, I hesitated before publishing this story. However, although it is not an formal survey, it might still reflect the views of the greater linux user community rather than those who frequent this particular site. There is no need to restate the arguments seen over the last few weeks - they are well known and understood - but the survey might have a point.]
http://q5sys.sh has recenlty conducted a survey finding many Linux users may be in favour of systemd:
First off lets keep one thing in mind, this was not a professional survey. As such the results need to be taken as nothing more than the opinions of the 4755 individuals who responded. While the survey responses show that 47% of the respondents are in favor of systemd, that does not mean that 47% of the overall linux community is in favor of systemd. The actual value may be higher or lower. This is simply a small capture of our overall community.
Although the author questions the results could this be an indication that we're really seeing a vocal minority who don't want systemd while the silent majority either do or simply don't care? Poll results and the original blog post.
(Score: 2) by jasassin on Thursday November 20 2014, @10:57PM
If all distros can use systemd and be universal, less time is needed developing init scripts and nuances in booting/configuration. They could use that time on desktop development. Difference in hours spent on systemd vs separate distribution sysvinit systems could be a considerable factor in systemd's value.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 20 2014, @11:07PM
I don't think it's possible for there ever to be a net win in terms of time saved.
I've lots several hours to systemd trashing my Debian system. I've read enough other Debian bug reports, mailing list postings, and other comments from people who have had their Debian systems ruined by systemd. Collectively, we've probably lost decades, if not centuries, of time to dealing with systemd problems we didn't even want to deal with in the first place.
And those are just people using Debian! Things are going to get even worse once Debian 8 starts getting more widely used. Every other distro that has adopted systemd has caused similar problems for users, so it's not just a Debian problem.
Looking at this globally, systemd has wasted far more time than it will ever save. It doesn't matter if a small handful of developers save a few minutes here and there, when hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people each waste many many hours each dealing with problems caused by systemd.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 20 2014, @11:36PM
>when hundreds of thousands, if not millions
I think you mean hundreds, if not thousands.
I'd be amazed if the Debian Install base had more than 20-40k total users, excluding servers since 1 "user" can control hundreds of "servers", etc.
a few of the comments here are indeed correct though, just because the vocal minority don't like something doesn't mean that everyone feels the same way. I know for a fact I'll never take part in such surveys because I'll be you know... actually using linux and not browsing some shitty personal blog with maybe 50 unique visitors daily.
(Score: 2) by Marand on Thursday November 20 2014, @11:25PM
If all distros can use systemd and be universal, less time is needed developing init scripts and nuances in booting/configuration. They could use that time on desktop development. Difference in hours spent on systemd vs separate distribution sysvinit systems could be a considerable factor in systemd's value.
There's a fallacy to that statement, but I'm failing to think of the proper name for it. The problem is that the statement is mistakenly treating all developers identically, assuming that every developer is both sufficiently familiar with, and willing to deal with, any part of the system equally. The guys that deal with system services aren't just going to go "okay, nothing to do here, I guess I'll go add a feature to gedit today instead!" Likewise, it's foolish to assume all the desktop devs are qualified to have their fingers in the init system and other underlying bits. (Incidentally, that know-it-all assumption is what keeps getting Poettering and Sievers cursed out by people, like when Sievers demanded Linus change the kernel to accommodate bad behaviour by systemd)
Of course, it's just as likely that the admin types that deal with services are instead getting frustrated by systemd. I wouldn't place any bets on that making them want to spend their time improving the the desktop.