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[Ed's Comment: Not wishing to ignite yet another flame war regarding the adoption of systemd, I hesitated before publishing this story. However, although it is not an formal survey, it might still reflect the views of the greater linux user community rather than those who frequent this particular site. There is no need to restate the arguments seen over the last few weeks - they are well known and understood - but the survey might have a point.]
http://q5sys.sh has recenlty conducted a survey finding many Linux users may be in favour of systemd:
First off lets keep one thing in mind, this was not a professional survey. As such the results need to be taken as nothing more than the opinions of the 4755 individuals who responded. While the survey responses show that 47% of the respondents are in favor of systemd, that does not mean that 47% of the overall linux community is in favor of systemd. The actual value may be higher or lower. This is simply a small capture of our overall community.
Although the author questions the results could this be an indication that we're really seeing a vocal minority who don't want systemd while the silent majority either do or simply don't care? Poll results and the original blog post.
(Score: 2) by Konomi on Thursday November 20 2014, @11:37PM
I think in this case it might be more of a "If certain people weren't getting so upset about systemd we wouldn't need a...." you get the point. I'm still amused at how the mood for systemd changed so quickly when I first heard about it my thoughts were somewhere along the line of: "Yeah boots faster that's good I guess I leave my PC on all the time though and I can't wait to start fixing the transitional issues". Both were pretty true for me (that's not to say I don't like the features I've gotten from systemd a main one being the ability to quiet the system startup and still get a service status which I wanted in sysvinit since the start of using Linux), others I knew were jumping up and down at how amazing it was. Fast forward today and it seems like everyone hates it suddenly, it makes me wonder how many certain parts of the community are just echo chambers, on both sides. Or if certain individuals just like making a louder noise when they hate something than when they like something.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 21 2014, @05:24AM
If you care about the truth that's it. I like systemd, I currently dislike a couple things about it's implementation, but I agree with it's design rationale and think it's a better way to do things than the old proven ways. Just because something doesn't need fixing doesn't mean it can't be improved upon. So far it's been working fine for me in my workstation, in my laptop, in my admittedly small server deployments (3-4 racks per), and in my ARM dev boards. It may not be up to all of it's promises yet, but for me it is already delivering more than any alternative.
For others it may be different, and I respect that. I don't mind, heck I support people moving to FreeBSD if it serves them better.
However you'll (almost) never see comments of mine, because the very few times I've commented I've gotten downmodded and/or insulted ad-hominem -- never any meaningful discussion, so I just don't bother commenting.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 21 2014, @12:52PM
Maybe systemd hasn't ruined any of your systems yet, but it has ruined the systems of many others. In the case of Debian users, it hasn't just ruined their systems after performing updates. It has ruined them permanently, because systemd has ruined Debian itself.
Systemd has wronged them in so many ways, and all of this violation is completely unwanted and unnecessary. Nothing else has caused as much harm and pain for so many open source users in such a short amount of time.
That's where the hostility toward you likely comes from. You are supporting something that has harmed a huge number of people in terrible ways. So don't be surprised when you face vitriol from them for supporting systemd.
(Score: 1) by Wrong Turn Ahead on Friday November 21 2014, @09:40AM
This is more than just a few dissenting voices being blindly echoed en masse. I think it's more likely that many people weren't following systemd progress as closely as they are today. I believe that the people who choose to use Linux are also the very same people who prefer to think for themselves and don't just follow whoever is yelling the loudest. Poettering appears to be very smart but he lacks humility and respect for the very community he is trying to change. His attitude is such that he is the developer and he knows what's best for us; anybody who dares to question or criticize him or his projects are met with hostility and rudeness. It was this very same attitude by the Gnome devs that caused so much unnecessary resentment during the Gnome 3 roll out.
Good or bad, the project itself has become toxic to the point that it is now dividing communities and distracting from the larger goal of improving and promoting Linux. It no longer matters if systemd turns out to be the greatest single invention of our time... An improvement to Linux that comes at the expense of shattering the community is not an improvement; it's a loss...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 21 2014, @11:27AM
I believe you greatly overestimate the fraction of the community that is going to leave Linux or is even upset over systemd. Yes they're a lot, but nowhere near the member count. Time will tell. Furthermore if systemd does turn out to be a great invention then it won't be a loss, it will be natural selection (ie. good riddance). Of course that's a big if, and the reverse is also true, but I'm personally on systemd's side of the fence.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 21 2014, @12:55PM
Firefox is a good example of how people will flee, and they won't come back once they're gone. Firefox used to have 35% or more of the browser market. Then they made bad decisions that ruined Firefox. Users fled to Chrome. Now Firefox is at 10% of the market, and this number is continually dropping.
A lot of people have already moved from Debian to FreeBSD or Slackware. They won't be back to Debian as long as systemd is present, that's for sure.