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[Ed's Comment: Not wishing to ignite yet another flame war regarding the adoption of systemd, I hesitated before publishing this story. However, although it is not an formal survey, it might still reflect the views of the greater linux user community rather than those who frequent this particular site. There is no need to restate the arguments seen over the last few weeks - they are well known and understood - but the survey might have a point.]
http://q5sys.sh has recenlty conducted a survey finding many Linux users may be in favour of systemd:
First off lets keep one thing in mind, this was not a professional survey. As such the results need to be taken as nothing more than the opinions of the 4755 individuals who responded. While the survey responses show that 47% of the respondents are in favor of systemd, that does not mean that 47% of the overall linux community is in favor of systemd. The actual value may be higher or lower. This is simply a small capture of our overall community.
Although the author questions the results could this be an indication that we're really seeing a vocal minority who don't want systemd while the silent majority either do or simply don't care? Poll results and the original blog post.
(Score: 1) by NotSanguine on Friday November 21 2014, @03:19AM
I think most people who know anything about it would agree that SysV init is a horrible kludge.
As an admin who, over the last 25 years or so, tracked through BSD Init, SysV init and now onto systemd, I was extremely annoyed when I was forced to learn SysV init and find moving to systemd to be almost as annoying.
Back in the days of proprietary Unix, we had no choice as to the init environment or the management tools (smitty was pretty annoying, and don't get me started on sam). You took what they gave you and loved it.
These days, there are a plethora of choices and, while I understand the hate on systemd (especially the lack of a mechanism to choose between SysV init and systemd), for better or worse the folks who develop and maintain the various Linux distributions made a conscious choice to move ahead with systemd as the only path.
We don't have to like it, nor do we have to use it. As many have mentioned, several flavors of BSD are available without systemd or even the SysV init.
What is more, nothing is stopping anyone (which is completely different from the bad old days) from creating their own Linux distribution which uses whatever init system they choose.
I absolutely agree that those who don't want systemd should shout from the rooftops ("I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore" anyone?) as they have been doing. If that (as it has been and things don't look good) is unsuccessful, perhaps it's time to move on.
I'm not a big fan of systemd, nor am I very fond of SysV init. I may decide to move to a BSD variant or I may decide to just eat it and stick with my preferred Linux distribution. As I have neither the time nor inclination to fork my own Linux distribution, I can (as it was in the old days) take what they give me and love it, or move to another platform.
Getting all butthurt about design decisions when you aren't even involved in the development of the platform is pretty dumb if you ask me. To those who really want to use Linux and don't want systemd, you have the tools and the access to do something about it. The rest is just bellyaching and hand-waving, IMHO.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 3, Insightful) by emg on Friday November 21 2014, @05:05AM
Yeah, because everyone has the time and ability to create their own distro.
And, of course, when a significant number of people who use a distro do decide to fork it, the people who were telling them 'if you don't like it, make your own distro' start whining about them being 'splitters'. And the trolls come along shouting that Linux is far too fragmented to ever compete with other operating systems.
(Score: 1) by NotSanguine on Friday November 21 2014, @08:04AM
Yeah, because everyone has the time and ability to create their own distro.
I don't have the time either. Which I said. But I'm not going to throw a tantrum (not saying you are, but with some of these folks that seems to be the best description).
And, of course, when a significant number of people who use a distro do decide to fork it, the people who were telling them 'if you don't like it, make your own distro' start whining about them being 'splitters'.
Which is why I don't pay those folks any mind. Forking is one of the best parts of FOSS. These are tools, not religions.
Except emacs. Everyone should use emacs. :)
And the trolls come along shouting that Linux is far too fragmented to ever compete with other operating systems.
That was never the problem with Linux anyway. It gained acceptance because FSF couldn't get the HURD going quickly enough. If they had, Linus' creation would have probably ended up like Minix and that would have been that. And it found its niche just as HTTP and commercialization of the Internet were taking hold.
It wasn't simple enough for the average end-user, and MS used its market dominance to keep it off of the major manufacturers' builds (with their pay for every machine you sell OEM licensing), so it never took off as a desktop.
And now there are distros that could be decent desktops, but that won't happen on a large scale for some time, if ever.
Which means the trolls are talking out of their asses and it smells that way too. Why pay attention to them either?
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr