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posted by janrinok on Monday June 20 2022, @09:55AM   Printer-friendly
from the say-goodnight-elon dept.

While it may not be all that surprising to SN readers, some data on "self driving" cars has now hit the big time, WaPo reports: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/06/15/tesla-autopilot-crashes/

Tesla vehicles running its Autopilot software have been involved in 273 reported crashes over roughly the past year, according to regulators, far more than previously known and providing concrete evidence regarding the real-world performance of its futuristic features.

The numbers, which were published by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration for the first time Wednesday, show that Tesla vehicles made up nearly 70 percent of the 392 crashes involving advanced driver-assistance systems reported since last July, and a majority of the fatalities and serious injuries — some of which date back further than a year. Eight of the Tesla crashes took place before June 2021, according to data released by NHTSA on Wednesday morning.

And 5 of 6 fatalities were linked with Tesla cars, the other was one of the competing Level 2 systems offered by other automakers.

WaPo continues,

The new data set stems from a federal order last summer requiring automakers to report crashes involving driver assistance to assess whether the technology presented safety risks. Tesla's vehicles have been found to shut off the advanced driver-assistance system, Autopilot, around one second before impact, according to the regulators.

The NHTSA order required manufacturers to disclose crashes where the software was in use within 30 seconds of the crash, in part to mitigate the concern that manufacturers would hide crashes by claiming the software wasn't in use at the time of the impact. [Ed: Emphasis provided by the submitter.]


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  • (Score: 1, Funny) by khallow on Monday June 20 2022, @04:38PM (5 children)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 20 2022, @04:38PM (#1254658) Journal

    Adding $1000 per year maintenance, or being involved in an accident?

    That's a lot of maintenance. I'm going with the accident.

    I would rather replace two or three sensors annually, than to run over some stupid kid who ran out in front of me to fetch a ball, and the car didn't see him because his shirt was the same color as the parked car he ran from behind.

    That's not much of a scenario.

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  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 20 2022, @05:13PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 20 2022, @05:13PM (#1254669)

    Externalized costs, not my problem. The kid was probably a dumbass anyway, it's not like we lost a cure for cancer here.

    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday June 20 2022, @07:59PM

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 20 2022, @07:59PM (#1254720) Journal

      Externalized costs, not my problem.

      So is that $1k in additional maintenance costs.

  • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday June 20 2022, @06:26PM (2 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 20 2022, @06:26PM (#1254694) Journal

    That's a lot of maintenance. I'm going with the accident.

    Why did I already know your answer to that question?

    That's not much of a scenario.

    We can draw and paint real life scenarios all day long. Snowy day, heavy snowfall, gusting winds blowing the snow around at random. An infrared sensor is almost certainy going to "see" a warm, glowy, human body in all that cold. But, your visible light sensors don't see the guy who just stepped (or even slipped) into the street ahead of you, because the snow is swirling in an opaque wall. But, you don't care about him, as much as you care about replacing a faulty sensor or two.

    That is precisely why I find fault with Elon, as well as yourself. Give the car as many senses as reasonably possible. Without those added senses, the cars can't become any safer than a good human driver.

    • (Score: 0, Troll) by khallow on Monday June 20 2022, @07:56PM (1 child)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 20 2022, @07:56PM (#1254717) Journal

      But, your visible light sensors don't see the guy who just stepped (or even slipped) into the street ahead of you, because the snow is swirling in an opaque wall. But, you don't care about him, as much as you care about replacing a faulty sensor or two.

      You can kill more people with defective transportation systems than you can with sensor edge cases.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 20 2022, @07:58PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 20 2022, @07:58PM (#1254718)

        Indeed, of the visibility is that bad, you shouldn't be driving. Sensors don't change that, they just change what constitutes as so bad that you're going to run into it over something if you drive.