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posted by janrinok on Monday June 20 2022, @09:55AM   Printer-friendly
from the say-goodnight-elon dept.

While it may not be all that surprising to SN readers, some data on "self driving" cars has now hit the big time, WaPo reports: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/06/15/tesla-autopilot-crashes/

Tesla vehicles running its Autopilot software have been involved in 273 reported crashes over roughly the past year, according to regulators, far more than previously known and providing concrete evidence regarding the real-world performance of its futuristic features.

The numbers, which were published by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration for the first time Wednesday, show that Tesla vehicles made up nearly 70 percent of the 392 crashes involving advanced driver-assistance systems reported since last July, and a majority of the fatalities and serious injuries — some of which date back further than a year. Eight of the Tesla crashes took place before June 2021, according to data released by NHTSA on Wednesday morning.

And 5 of 6 fatalities were linked with Tesla cars, the other was one of the competing Level 2 systems offered by other automakers.

WaPo continues,

The new data set stems from a federal order last summer requiring automakers to report crashes involving driver assistance to assess whether the technology presented safety risks. Tesla's vehicles have been found to shut off the advanced driver-assistance system, Autopilot, around one second before impact, according to the regulators.

The NHTSA order required manufacturers to disclose crashes where the software was in use within 30 seconds of the crash, in part to mitigate the concern that manufacturers would hide crashes by claiming the software wasn't in use at the time of the impact. [Ed: Emphasis provided by the submitter.]


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  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday June 20 2022, @07:01PM (3 children)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 20 2022, @07:01PM (#1254703) Journal

    In each case, the sensors may be working perfectly within specs, but they fail to report an obstruction because the environment has gone out of spec.

    Sorry, in that case, they should detect said obstruction, report that the environment has gone out of spec, and the vehicle should modify its driving behavior appropriately - just like a human driver would in the same situation.

  • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday June 20 2022, @11:16PM (2 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 20 2022, @11:16PM (#1254777) Journal

    Likewise, if a gust of snow laden wind obstructs your view for a critical 2 seconds, you should still detect the obstruction that has moved in front of you, and you should take the appropriate action to avoid the obstruction.

    You're completely failing to make sense today. People frequently have accidents in inclement weather. You can expect sensors to also have accidents more frequently in inclement weather. And, once again, redundant sensors of different types should overcome some of mankind's failings.

    Put visible light, lidar, and one other sensor type on the vehicle, even if it costs khallow an extra thousand dollars.

    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday June 21 2022, @02:09AM (1 child)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 21 2022, @02:09AM (#1254800) Journal

      Likewise, if a gust of snow laden wind obstructs your view for a critical 2 seconds, you should still detect the obstruction that has moved in front of you, and you should take the appropriate action to avoid the obstruction.

      Indeed. It doesn't take me that long to determine my vision has been blocked. And I would slow down from an already slow speed.

      You're completely failing to make sense today. People frequently have accidents in inclement weather. You can expect sensors to also have accidents more frequently in inclement weather. And, once again, redundant sensors of different types should overcome some of mankind's failings.

      Except when they don't because they fail so often that they are worse than useless.