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posted by janrinok on Monday June 20 2022, @09:55AM   Printer-friendly
from the say-goodnight-elon dept.

While it may not be all that surprising to SN readers, some data on "self driving" cars has now hit the big time, WaPo reports: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/06/15/tesla-autopilot-crashes/

Tesla vehicles running its Autopilot software have been involved in 273 reported crashes over roughly the past year, according to regulators, far more than previously known and providing concrete evidence regarding the real-world performance of its futuristic features.

The numbers, which were published by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration for the first time Wednesday, show that Tesla vehicles made up nearly 70 percent of the 392 crashes involving advanced driver-assistance systems reported since last July, and a majority of the fatalities and serious injuries — some of which date back further than a year. Eight of the Tesla crashes took place before June 2021, according to data released by NHTSA on Wednesday morning.

And 5 of 6 fatalities were linked with Tesla cars, the other was one of the competing Level 2 systems offered by other automakers.

WaPo continues,

The new data set stems from a federal order last summer requiring automakers to report crashes involving driver assistance to assess whether the technology presented safety risks. Tesla's vehicles have been found to shut off the advanced driver-assistance system, Autopilot, around one second before impact, according to the regulators.

The NHTSA order required manufacturers to disclose crashes where the software was in use within 30 seconds of the crash, in part to mitigate the concern that manufacturers would hide crashes by claiming the software wasn't in use at the time of the impact. [Ed: Emphasis provided by the submitter.]


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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Monday June 20 2022, @09:50PM (6 children)

    by DeathMonkey (1380) on Monday June 20 2022, @09:50PM (#1254763) Journal

    Commercial diving has a fatality rate of 3.4 to 4.2 deaths per 100,000 divers. [marineinjurylaw.com]

    Driving resulted in 11.7 deaths per 100,000 people [iihs.org]

    So driving a vehicle is about 3x more fatal than commercial diving, per capita.

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  • (Score: 2) by pvanhoof on Tuesday June 21 2022, @12:44PM (1 child)

    by pvanhoof (4638) on Tuesday June 21 2022, @12:44PM (#1254875) Homepage

    Non-professional Scuba diver here: the reason why there are fewer accidents with diving is because more passionate people will train harder to be good at what they are passionate about. Diving requires passion. Similarly, open source software development used to yield better programmers on average. As you had to be passionate about it to get involved. Let average people, who do drive a car, do daily diving: most of them will die within a month. At around their 100th dive. The 100th dive is in the diving community considered as your most dangerous dive. That's because then you feel like you can do it fluently.

  • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday June 21 2022, @06:18PM (2 children)

    by JoeMerchant (3937) on Tuesday June 21 2022, @06:18PM (#1254972)
    • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday June 21 2022, @06:48PM (1 child)

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Tuesday June 21 2022, @06:48PM (#1254996) Journal

      15% of what? Incident rates aren't usually communicated in percentages so I'm not even sure what they're referring to. I did see that link though when I was looking for the fatality rate.

      • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday June 21 2022, @09:38PM

        by JoeMerchant (3937) on Tuesday June 21 2022, @09:38PM (#1255076)

        Birth 100% ends in death, so scope matters.

        I think what the shock tactic is trying to say is: 15% of workers in deep ocean welding end up dying on the job - how many years do they do the job? Or, maybe they've stretched it to assume a 30 year career would end in death 15% of the time, one death per 180 man-years. Or maybe they pulled the number out their ass - I'd give better than 50% odds that's the case.

        Anyway, commercial diver ranges from the guy who scrubs the bottom of my boat in the marina every 60-90 days up to these nutjobs who saturation dive ALONE for weeks on end at insane depths while they do underwater welding on seriously heavy stuff. If you focus on the nutjobs, the death rate is certain to rise.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 21 2022, @09:28PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 21 2022, @09:28PM (#1255072)

    It's elevator mechanics, all the way down:
        https://www.safetyandhealthmagazine.com/articles/18054-elevator-related-fatalities-in-construction-industry-increasing-cpwr [safetyandhealthmagazine.com]

    Workers installing or repairing elevators had the highest fatality rate, at 14.9 per 100,000 full-time equivalent workers.

    I'm one of the lucky ones that got shafted and survived...