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posted by janrinok on Tuesday June 21, @01:31PM   Printer-friendly

Now China wants to censor online comments:

The new changes affect Provisions on the Management of Internet Post Comments Services, a regulation that first came into effect in 2017. Five years later, the Cyberspace Administration wants to bring it up to date.

"The proposed revisions primarily update the current version of the comment rules to bring them into line with the language and policies of more recent authority, such as new laws on the protection of personal information, data security, and general content regulations," says Jeremy Daum, a senior fellow at Yale Law School's Paul Tsai China Center.

[...] But recently, there have been several awkward cases where comments under government Weibo accounts went rogue, pointing out government lies or rejecting the official narrative. That could be what has prompted the regulator's proposed update.

Chinese social platforms are currently on the front lines of censorship work, often actively removing posts before the government and other users can even see them. ByteDance famously employs thousands of content reviewers, who make up the largest number of employees at the company. Other companies outsource the task to "censorship-for-hire" firms, including one owned by China's party mouthpiece People's Daily. The platforms are frequently punished for letting things slip.

Beijing is constantly refining its social media control, mending loopholes and introducing new restrictions. But the vagueness of the latest revisions makes people worry that the government may ignore practical challenges. [...] The tricky question is, no one knows if the government intends to enforce this immediately.


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  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Opportunist on Tuesday June 21, @02:00PM (21 children)

    by Opportunist (5545) on Tuesday June 21, @02:00PM (#1254888)

    They will have social media.

    In its final incarnation, you will need a personalized account with the social media site, and your account will be tied to your social credit (which will also be visible, for shaming purposes and of course to ensure that people don't want to associate with you). And it will be a communist utopia, censorship will be totally absent, because people already self-censor the living shit out of everything they say because they fear for their social credit.

    As a neat side effect, you get to find all the "incorrigible deviants" who'd still dare to defy the party line, for free.

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  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday June 21, @02:40PM (4 children)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 21, @02:40PM (#1254899) Journal

    In its final incarnation

    Sorry, I don't buy unicorns online. My take is that we're already seeing the failure mode of such a scheme - the massive number of people required to police it even with substantial automation. Even China will run out of cheap labor.

    • (Score: 4, Touché) by Opportunist on Tuesday June 21, @04:28PM (3 children)

      by Opportunist (5545) on Tuesday June 21, @04:28PM (#1254938)

      It's not necessary to policy that. Just have the other users policy it. It's Web 2.0, surveillance state version. Instead of "you make the content, we make the profit", it's now "you do the surveillance and get social credit for it".

      Just learn from the best [wikipedia.org]. Install "volunteers" who will do the work for you, in exchange for being considered good citizens. It's gonna work like a charm, trust me.

      • (Score: 0, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 22, @02:23AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 22, @02:23AM (#1255182)

        Link broken - I think you meant here: Texas abortion ban turns citizens into "bounty hunters" [cbsnews.com].

      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday June 22, @02:55AM

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday June 22, @02:55AM (#1255192) Journal

        Just learn from the best.

        China has been at that level decades ago. They had to abandon that in order to survive. Now, my take is that it's too late for them to go back.

  • (Score: 2) by pkrasimirov on Tuesday June 21, @02:47PM

    by pkrasimirov (3358) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 21, @02:47PM (#1254903)

    North Korea 2.0 pre-release 22

  • (Score: 4, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday June 21, @03:38PM

    by DeathMonkey (1380) on Tuesday June 21, @03:38PM (#1254927) Journal

    Have they tried Truth Social? You get censored over there REAL quick so the tools must be awesome!

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by mhajicek on Tuesday June 21, @04:07PM (10 children)

    by mhajicek (51) on Tuesday June 21, @04:07PM (#1254936)

    Authoritarian, yes. Communist, no. Maybe look up what the word means.

    --
    The spacelike surfaces of time foliations can have a cusp at the surface of discontinuity. - P. Hajicek
    • (Score: 0, Troll) by NPC-131072 on Tuesday June 21, @04:14PM (6 children)

      by NPC-131072 (7144) on Tuesday June 21, @04:14PM (#1254937) Journal

      Hello fren,

      Conservatives refuse to believe historical Communist regimes were, also, not real Communism. Stupid Conservatives!

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by FatPhil on Tuesday June 21, @04:52PM (5 children)

        by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Tuesday June 21, @04:52PM (#1254945) Homepage
        You can as easily end up in _F_ascism as you can in _C_ommunism by following such and _A_uthoritarian path _R_estricting freedoms.

        Original poster claimed (1): (R => A) ^ (R => C)
        Retort said (2): (R => A) ^ (R =/> C)
        By referring to the existence of (R ^ C) states, you implied that (3): (R ^ C) => (R => C)

        Mussolini's Italy had R and had A, but it had F not C, and therefore proves (1) and (3) to be wrong.
        --
        Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
        • (Score: -1, Troll) by NPC-131072 on Tuesday June 21, @05:06PM (4 children)

          by NPC-131072 (7144) on Tuesday June 21, @05:06PM (#1254950) Journal

          Hello fren,

          I am a good person, I just want everyone to be equal. [nytimes.com]

          • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Tuesday June 21, @05:19PM (3 children)

            by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Tuesday June 21, @05:19PM (#1254953) Homepage
            We accept there are many examples of R ^ C, but no number of R ^ C examples prove that (R ^ C) => (R => C).
            --
            Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
            • (Score: 0, Troll) by NPC-131072 on Tuesday June 21, @11:37PM (2 children)

              by NPC-131072 (7144) on Tuesday June 21, @11:37PM (#1255126) Journal

              My Fren,

              Without authoritarianism there would be no exploitation, oppression or justification for the concept of Revolutionary Communism. We don't have examples because real Communism has never been tried. [wikipedia.org]

              • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 22, @01:17AM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 22, @01:17AM (#1255165)

                Yiss, why cunt we jus let peeples agree to contracts and let le fwee mawkets sort it out? Totally worked out great in the past, you know how sweet it is to be a slaver? /puke

                • (Score: -1, Troll) by NPC-131072 on Wednesday June 22, @01:25AM

                  by NPC-131072 (7144) on Wednesday June 22, @01:25AM (#1255167) Journal

                  Hello Fren,

                  Do you ever feel... [spectatorworld.com]

                  the Marxist belief that one is a perpetual victim of omnipotent but invisible power structures, from which only the same Marxist authorities can rescue such victim groups.

    • (Score: 0, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 21, @10:18PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 21, @10:18PM (#1255089)

      REAL Communism has never been tried. Granted, all so-called communist countries in history have been repressive, authoritarian, murderous hellholes, but they only stain Communism's good name.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 22, @02:26AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 22, @02:26AM (#1255183)

        Therefore.... FASCISM! Hai!

    • (Score: 2) by Opportunist on Wednesday June 22, @02:44AM

      by Opportunist (5545) on Wednesday June 22, @02:44AM (#1255186)

      That was a jab on the old "once we REALLY have communism, we won't have any need for KGB/Stasi/Securitate anymore" adage of the time. Yes, that was a real thing back in the days: "Sure, today we still need (insert internal security organization) because there is still internal enemies of the state, but once we have REAL communism, this will no longer be necessary".

      The joke this launched was "Will we really not need the KGB anymore when we finally have Communism?" "Yes, of course. People will have learned to arrest themselves by then".

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by captain normal on Tuesday June 21, @06:33PM (1 child)

    by captain normal (2205) on Tuesday June 21, @06:33PM (#1254985)

    "..communist utopia, censorship will be totally absent, because people already self-censor the living shit out of everything they say because they fear for their social credit."

    Substitute "corporate utopia" for "communist utopia" and I really can't see much difference.

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    “I have not failed. I’ve just found 10,000 ways that won’t work.” Thomas Edison
    • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday June 21, @08:37PM

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Tuesday June 21, @08:37PM (#1255044) Journal

      Substitute "corporate utopia" for "communist utopia" and I really can't see much difference.

      Yeah, I'm sure organizing a coup on fucking Twitter would go super great for folks in China!

  • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 21, @08:03PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 21, @08:03PM (#1255032)

    In its final incarnation, you will need a personalized account with the social media site, and your account will be tied to your social credit (which will also be visible, for shaming purposes and of course to ensure that people don't want to associate with you). And it will be a communist corporate utopia, censorship will be totally absent, because people already self-censor the living shit out of everything they say because they fear for their social credit.

    As a neat side effect, you get to find all the "incorrigible deviants" who'd still dare to defy the party line, for free.

    FTFY

    Let's not confuse left wing authoritarianism and right wing authoritarianism again, shalln't we? We all need the little shitstains to do the busywork. 'K thanks.