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WATCH: Officials provide update after Highland Park July 4 parade shooting
6 dead in mass shooting at Highland Park July 4 parade
At least six people were killed and two dozen others hospitalized in a mass shooting at a Fourth of July parade in Highland Park, Illinois, police officials said at a press conference Monday.
The latest: Lake County sheriff’s office deputy chief Christopher Covelli said at the press conference Monday that the suspect was an 18- to 20-year-old white male with long black hair who should be considered "armed and dangerous."
The shooting "appears to be completely" random, Covelli said.
Officials recovered a rifle at the scene, said Covelli, who did not specify if the weapon had a high-capacity magazine.
Information about the victims' ages was not released.
Highland Park Parade Gunman Fired From Rooftop, Police Say Shooting Appears ‘Completely Random'
Highland Park shooting witness captures gunshots on video
We have a problem. Other countries don't seem to have this problem. Some people choose to run away from the problem, deny it exists, or resist any efforts to keep guns out of the hands of crazy people.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 04 2022, @08:15PM (5 children)
Sorry Denmark, some USAians don't consider you a country.
Also some USAians don't research much, and maybe can't read: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/mass-shootings-by-country [worldpopulationreview.com]
Way to go Chicago Cancel Culture, keep defunding your police!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 04 2022, @09:07PM
Runaway hopes you don't read the WHOLE article.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 04 2022, @10:37PM (2 children)
Somewhere on the interwebs there's always some crackpot insisting Denmark is a country, go figure.
What next, you're going to roll with the conspiracy that Armstrong and Aldrin walked on the moon?
Or that the dinosaurs became extinct because there was no room for them on Noah's Ark?
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday July 05 2022, @02:17AM
No room for dinosaurs on Noah's ark?
Stop being silly. We ate all of them, then started on the mastodons and other big mammals. And, don't forget the fish and fowl!
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 3, Funny) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday July 05 2022, @05:43PM
Whelp I definitely didn't have "Denmark Denier" on my rightwing nutjob bingo card but here we are!
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 05 2022, @07:25AM
Check the frequency of mass shootings in Denmark and compare it with the frequency of the same in US.
Nirvana fallacy much?
(Score: -1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Monday July 04 2022, @09:20PM (21 children)
this is Chicago. It's just another weekend in Chicago.
Just found this video. It's rapid fire, semiautomatic, to be sure. The sound? Maybe it's just echoes in the city street, but it sounds like a pretty large caliber, not the typical 5.56 mm.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Monday July 04 2022, @09:26PM (1 child)
Oops - https://www.foxnews.com/us/highland-park-shooting-suspect-description-released-july-4-parade-attack-kills-6 [foxnews.com]
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 05 2022, @11:38AM
https://nitter.net/1cowtools/status/1544145566845718529#m [nitter.net]
Malignant narcissist. The guy has face tats, has been pictured with pink hair in pigtails yet attended Trump rallies decked out in "where's Wally" garb. He has rose tattoos and was also pictured wearing a DSA cap. The narcissist has no core sense of self, they mimic others to the point of mockery, here mirroring a fractured society to the point of murder.
(Score: 3, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 05 2022, @12:25AM (11 children)
"this is Chicago. It's just another weekend in Chicago"
Yet you seem incapable of understanding how that is a problem we should try fixing.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday July 05 2022, @02:14AM (10 children)
The lack of understanding isn't on me. How many times have I pointed out that the city is run by Democrats? And, how many times has it been pointed out that Chicago has almost the strictest gun control laws in the nation? Gun control laws only apply to law-abiding citizens, they never apply to either criminals or cops.
If Illinois passed a constitutional carry law, along with a preemption law, much of the crime in Chicago would dry up within months. Give citizens the power to fight back against the thugs.
That would have helped little, if at all, in the shooting today, since the shooter sought out a place of concealment, and shot from a higher elevation, where most handguns wouldn't be likelty to hit him.
Just waiting for lamestream media to give him 24/7 coverage for a couple months, right down to his favorite breakfast cereal.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 05 2022, @07:07AM (5 children)
July 6th. I feel a full doxxing coming on, a real one. Runaway actually is, well, wait for it. We want to give the asshole thug time to reconsider.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Tuesday July 05 2022, @08:41AM (4 children)
Personal threats are why ACs are currently partially banned from participating in the site.
"Until all abuse stops the current situation will continue" - you may have read that somewhere.
I am not interested in knowing who people are or where they live. My interest starts and stops at our servers.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 05 2022, @09:10AM
No threat, just a feeling. Why so touchy, janrinok? Can't protect him any more?
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 05 2022, @09:18AM
Might be nice to know who this Runaway is, before he climbs the ladder to spray the parade with his penis-substitute. Would have helped today, in Highland Park. Could help in the future in Texarkana.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 05 2022, @09:43AM (1 child)
I thought it was spamming! Did I miss something? So this is not about apk at all? Why are AC's banned? Is it only because the Green site did it? Color me confused. Oh, and doxxing Runaway, good idea, for pubic safety.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Tuesday July 05 2022, @10:16AM
You should go back and read previous posts:
Spamming, ad-hominem attacks, abuse, and disruption of the site were all mentioned.
There is no 'apk'. There is merely someone pretending to be apk.
I am not interested in knowing who people are or where they live. My interest starts and stops at our servers.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by dalek on Tuesday July 05 2022, @12:56PM (3 children)
The shooting took place in Highland Park, which like Cook County and Chicago have a ban on guns defined as assault weapons. The problem isn't that restrictions on possession of guns can't work, but that local restrictions are ineffective when it so easy to purchase those guns in nearby areas. Chicago and Cook County have bans, as do some municipalities in Lake County. But it's not difficult to obtain guns in neighboring areas. Unlike Illinois, Indiana does not have universal background checks.
As I noted in my journal, I oppose New York's new absurd gun control law. I'm not blindly in favor of gun control laws. However, we do need national minimum standards for gun control such as: 1) make reporting to NICS mandatory, 2) impose universal background checks, and 3) strong restrictions on assault weapons (at a minimum, using the definitions in the 1994 federal ban, if not stronger) and on high capacity magazines.
Of course Highland Park's ban wasn't going to stop yesterday's mass shooting. However, if purchasing assault weapons was heavily restricted statewide in Illinois and in neighboring states, the restrictions would probably be far more effective.
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday July 05 2022, @01:29PM (2 children)
Yes, I've noted that your views on gun control are more rational, more nuanced, than the typical gun control zealot. But, I still disagree that more draconian laws are going to fix anything.
I'm fine with that. Every police department in the nation uses NICS, routinely. Those police departments that use NICS should be required to file timely reports with the service they rely on.
In effect, a national gun registry. A registry much like California's database that was recently published, so that criminals know exactly which houses to burglarize when they want to steal guns. A registry much like Hitler relied on to confiscate weapons from people he didn't approve of.
First, civilians don't have access to "assault weapons".
Second, Washington just did that, requiring 'enhanced' background checks on adults under 21 when trying to purchase "assault weapons".
I'll concede that background checks aren't working in some cases. Deranged freaks make social media posts for months, or years, and no one reports that to anyone who cares. Teachers don't report it, counselors don't report it, parents, friends, associates don't report it. And, if a report is made, the 'investigation' seems to end with an FBI interview, and no reports made to NICS. The system needs to be repaired, but universal background checks and defacto national registration isn't the answer. It's the CRIMINALS that need to be tracked, not the guns.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 2) by dalek on Tuesday July 05 2022, @02:25PM (1 child)
I use the term "assault weapons" to refer to guns banned federally in 1994. That ban expired ten years later. Citizens most certainly do have access to weapons that had previously been banned.
There are really two issues here, which you conflated in your original post: 1) use of guns in mass shootings, and 2) use of guns generally in violent crime. A lot of mass shootings are carried out with weapons that were subject to the aforementioned 1994 law. They are a small part of the total amount of shootings but disproportionately create fear. The second primarily doesn't involve weapons that were subject to the 1994 law but is much larger than the subset of mass shootings.
Mass shootings aren't typical of Chicago or anywhere else. Your original post was false in that respect.
In terms of preventing mass shootings, better reporting to NICS and universal background checks would be helpful. So would restricting assault weapons.
The second issue would be partly addressed with better reporting to NICS and with universal background checks. But those won't stop straw purchases. You're critical of a gun registry, but I'm unconvinced that it would be a problem. Just because a gun registry could be used to confiscate guns does not mean it will be used for that purpose. Your argument is a non-sequitur. A gun registry would be useful to combat straw purchases. The records could be purged after some length of time such as a year, so the data wouldn't be retained permanently. Instead, the data would be used to identify individuals who are purchasing large numbers of firearms to allow for follow-up checks to prevent straw purchases. If you want to reduce violent crime in Chicago, that would be a step in the right direction. Universal background checks help to prevent criminals from purchasing guns in Illinois, but the problem with straw purchases also needs to be addressed.
In another comment, I linked to an article about a store in Gary, Indiana where a large number of straw purchases occurred. If stores aren't going to do their job in preventing large numbers of straw purchases, a temporary registry would be useful.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 05 2022, @04:01PM
Chicago already has red flag laws, they identify the mentally ill and unstable. They do not and never will identify individuals with personality disorders. [soylentnews.org]. What changed socially since the '50s and why is the contentious issue firearms rather than cluster B personality disorders?
(Score: 5, Informative) by dalek on Tuesday July 05 2022, @12:33PM (6 children)
As with your other comment [soylentnews.org] on this matter, it's clear you haven't got a clue about why there's a lot of gun crime in Chicago despite strict gun control laws.
I'll link you to a study that tracks the origin of illegal guns in Chicago: https://urbanlabs.uchicago.edu/programs/chicago-firearms-report [uchicago.edu].
From the 2017 report:
That is five years old. I'll link to some more recent information, too: https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-crime-shooting-guns-illinois-gun-laws/11937013/ [abc7chicago.com]. From this article:
The problem isn't that Chicago's gun control laws can't work, but that it's hard for the laws to stop gun violence when the guns are coming from suburbs in Illinois and from across the border in Indiana. It's currently impossible for any counties or municipalities to pass new restrictions on "assault weapons" in Illinois because those regulations are preempted by state law. Restrictions in Chicago, Cook County, and some other municipalities are grandfathered in, but without a change to state law, new local restrictions are impossible.
Meanwhile, Indiana is loosening restrictions [wbez.org] on guns, which may result in gun violence increasing in Chicago. Moreover, Indiana laws preempt any local restrictions on possession of guns and ammunition. Prior to Indiana's statewide preemption taking effect, Gary and East Chicago had much stricter gun control laws. This means that gun laws are far weaker on the Indiana side of the border.
Let's see where the gun used in this mass shooting came from. It would not surprise me at all if it was purchased in Indiana and illegally brought into Chicago.
Also, I'll pose one more question for you. If access to guns is the solution to keeping crime down, why does Gary, Indiana have such a high crime rate when the gun control laws there are weak? Why is that?
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday July 05 2022, @12:55PM (5 children)
Your point seems to be that draconian regulation can't work, unless that draconian regulation is expanded and enforced all across the nation. And, while you're suggesting the I am clueless, you are proving that you are clueless.
Mexico is a perfect example of gun control. In theory, no one has anything more powerful or more accurate than a shotgun, and those are mostly in farmer's hands. In practice, the cartels are better armed than the government. The cartels import directly from all around the world, while at the same time, pilfering government armories.
Criminals in other parts of the world manage to get guns, despite those nation's best gun control efforts.
One more time: gun control only succeeds in disarming law abiding citizens. Everyone else still has guns, and can get more any time they wish. And, if all else fails, the cartels and other criminals can invest in 3D printers, and print their own weapons.
Gun control is a complete and utter failure.
Point to one time in history when prohibition has worked. Please, just one example.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 3, Interesting) by dalek on Tuesday July 05 2022, @01:01PM (4 children)
It's interesting that you should mention prohibition. A significant piece of federal gun control was passed due to crime during Prohibition. Automatic guns were federally restricted in 1934 in the National Firearms Act. How many mass shootings are committed with automatic weapons? The answer, of course, is virtually zero. It took a bit of time after the law was passed, but those guns are largely out of circulation and no longer used in crimes. It would seem like prohibition is working quite well.
Also, you conveniently dodged my question. If reducing gun laws is so effective at preventing gun laws, why is there so much violent crime in Gary, Indiana, where state law overrides most local gun control? Why is that?
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday July 05 2022, @01:16PM (3 children)
Location, location, location. Criminals on the run from Chicago police can hop across the state line in just a few minutes. Would you care to dive into Gary crime statistics, and see how many of the criminals are gang members from Chicago gangs? How many of them have family in Chicago? We can make an argument that Gary is just a suburb of Chicago.
You do make an interesting point though. Automatic weapons simply aren't used in crime. They are just too expensive for rando criminals to purchase. Funny thing though, AR-15 and similar aren't used in crime very much either. You are capable of looking up the statistics. You'll find that rifles in general are seldom used in crime. Pistols are the go-to weapon of criminals. If you look just a little further, you'll find that more people are beaten to death with fists and feet, than are killed with "assault weapons".
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 2) by dalek on Tuesday July 05 2022, @01:44PM (2 children)
But I thought that making it easy for people to acquire guns would prevent crime. What gives?
You're correct that location matters here. Chicago street gangs benefit from operating in Gary. Specifically, it's easy for them to obtain guns in Gary because Indiana has weak gun control laws except when it comes to preempting local laws. For example, here's a story about Chicago suing a store in Gary because they were illegally selling guns to Chicago gang members: https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/criminal-justice/ct-chicago-lawsuit-westforth-sports-gun-sales-20210426-d6ctfjf2vje4rndtk52urvcsly-story.html [chicagotribune.com].
Of course, those guns don't just come from Indiana. Here's an article about a Chicago man being sentenced for obtaining guns in Kansas, then selling them to gang members in Chicago: https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndil/pr/source-firearms-chicago-gang-members-sentenced-12-years-prison [justice.gov].
I should also point out that per capita gun crime is actually higher in Indianapolis than in Chicago, and a lot of that is due to the state's weak gun control. Here's another article for you: https://www.southbendtribune.com/story/opinion/columns/2021/08/08/indianas-lax-gun-laws-enable-straw-purchases-export-violence/5498840001/ [southbendtribune.com].
You say that easy access to guns lowers the crime rate because citizens can obtain them for self defense. Indiana has weak gun control laws statewide, with laws that preempt local regulations. If that's true, how can the per capita murder rate in Indianapolis be 130% of what it is in Chicago?
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday July 05 2022, @02:07PM (1 child)
I'm sure you can find a reliable study that supports that claim. Some liberal think tank arrived at that conclusion, and did a study that 'proves' it.
And, of course, there are more factors than just gun control when it comes to crime statistics. It is worth noting that Indianapolis is a liberal city. I don't have time to dig into the city's various statistics, demographics, etc. Feel free to do so, if you wish.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 4, Insightful) by dalek on Tuesday July 05 2022, @02:54PM
Liberal think tank? It's more like the ATF recognizes that straw purchases in Indiana are a significant contributor to gun violence in Chicago: https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdin/pr/multiple-federal-indictments-straw-purchases-guns-allegedly-used-violent-crimes-chica-0 [justice.gov].
Now, there are issues beyond gun control laws that increase violent crime. Cities like Gary and East Saint Louis have dreadful crime rates in large part because of concentration of poverty in those areas. I just don't believe that making it easier to obtain guns is necessary or even a good approach to address violent crime. But you're correct that other factors like zoning laws are significant, too. A century ago, zoning laws were enacted in many areas to impose racial segregation. Although laws can no longer be used to directly impose segregation, the use of zoning laws to restrict affordable housing has the effect of maintaining segregation. They also concentrate poverty, which is probably the biggest reason that cities like Gary and East Saint Louis are so dangerous.
The mass shooting in Highland Park isn't typical of Chicago at all. You're correct that there are some areas with very high crime rates, though. A lot of it because the effects of redlining are still present today, even maintained through zoning laws and access to affordable housing. But it doesn't help that there's an influx of illegal guns into these areas because of straw purchases.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 04 2022, @09:35PM (1 child)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_mortality_rate [wikipedia.org]
The United States mortality rate is slightly above the world average, and below the UK and many of your Euro paradises like Germany, France, Spain, Denmark, Switzerland, and the Netherlands. Obesity is a real problem. Mass shootings? Nah.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 05 2022, @07:42AM
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5?locations=OE-US-DK [worldbank.org]
I don't have any qualms if people go down on the path of suicide by HFCS.
Just that guns kill others a wee too often.
This is what one of my colleagues had to say about [data]
(Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 05 2022, @11:16AM (3 children)
A white gun lover, allegedly named Crimo, performed his hate crime.
Against random people.
On 4 july parade.
My 2c he's a leftie.
IMO Mass shootings will continue until you give up constitutional rights. It's called terror and as usual it is state sponsored.
(Score: 3, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday July 05 2022, @05:46PM
Robert E. Crimo Seen Attending Trump Rally Dressed as Where's Waldo [newsweek.com]
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 05 2022, @06:34PM
It must suck tying your personality 100% to politics. Liberals have no problem condemning violence from other liberals, but conservatives seem not only incapable of condemning their own but they also deny verifiable reality. Honestly, Republicans think their own are all righteous and any bad action is secretly antifa trying to make them look bad. No, Republicans are currently following the footsteps of the Nazis and trying to make the US a theocracy. Republicans are the baddies, stop supporting them and vote for Dems until conservative politicians regrouo under a new sane political party. Dems are currently pretty similar to Rs from the 80s, not a good thing but you can't complain they are commies unless you reeeel dumb.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 05 2022, @06:39PM
Your 2c isn't even worth a wooden nickel
And your troll is weak
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday July 05 2022, @11:55AM (5 children)
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/highland-park-shooting-robert-crimo-dna-b2116018.html [independent.co.uk]
So, the article gives two apparently conflicting course of events. On the one hand, they are crediting DNA analysis with identifying the shooter - which seems unlikely. I mean, if the asshole were already in their database because he has an arrest record, maybe. But, processing a DNA swab takes time, right?
At the same time, they are crediting the ATF and their rapid trace of the firearm found at the scene.
And, while the news hounds are busy touting these hi-tech methods, I'm left thinking we aren't being told the whole story. The more mundane ubiquitous video surveillance probably played a role in identifying the shooter. If not eyewitness descriptions.
Neither the DNA nor the rapid tracing told cops what the guy was driving, after all. The account of his capture indicates the cops identified his car, and initiated a traffic stop on the vehicle.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 05 2022, @04:27PM (4 children)
Cars are registered, why not guns?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 05 2022, @05:15PM
If not a trace request on the recovered firearm, how else do you think authorities ID'd the guy?
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday July 05 2022, @10:42PM (2 children)
I believe I hit on that earlier in the discussion. Gun registries in various countries have led to wholesale confiscation of guns, leaving the population helpless, at the mercy of whichever political party decided to take charge. Congress has forbidden the creation of a gun registry in this country, for good reason.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 06 2022, @09:03AM (1 child)
This, of course, is fascist NRA propaganda, and is not true. In fact, it is fabricated, made up. And Runaway is stupid enough to fall for it. I am going to buy a gun to defend myself against Runaway, and his "ilk". Yes, true, he has an ilk.
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday July 06 2022, @11:41AM
I suppose that if you subscribe to critical race theory, then all of the disarming of peasants throughout the world is made up. Ask the black man in America about disarming the peasants.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 3, Interesting) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday July 05 2022, @03:37PM
That's MULTIPLE [capradio.org] mass shootings [newsweek.com], son!
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday July 05 2022, @08:22PM
Trump-backed Illinois candidate says ‘let’s move on’ just hours after parade shooting [independent.co.uk]
Republican senator Darren Bailey is being backed by ex-president Donald Trump
I'm sure the families of the dead victims, and all the wounded victims are all in agreement that we need to just forget this and move on. It is just too embarrassing to Republicans to allow an issue like this to be public.
Then why, oh why are you a Trump supporter and supporter of Republican policies and candidates?
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