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Devuan.org announces:
Devuan is spelled in Italian and it is pronounced just like "DevOne" in English.
[...]is it really a fork?
This is just the start of a process, as bold as it sounds to call it a fork of Debian.
[...]Devuan aims to be a base distribution whose mission is protect the freedom of its community of users and developers. Its priority is to enable diversity, interoperability and backward compatibility for existing Debian users and downstream distributions willing to preserve Init freedom.
Devuan will derive its own installer and package repositories from Debian, modifying them where necessary, with the first goal of removing systemd, still inheriting the Debian development workflow while continuing it on a different path: free from bloat as a minimalist base distro should be. Our objective for the spring of 2015 is that users will be able to switch from Debian 7 to Devuan 1 smoothly, as if they would dist-upgrade to Jessie, and start using our package repositories.
Devuan will make an effort to rebuild an infrastructure similar to Debian, but will also take the opportunity to innovate some of its practices. Devuan developers look at this project as a fresh new start for a community of interested people and do not intend to enforce the vexation hierarchy and bureaucracy beyond real cases of emergency. We are well conscious this is possible for us mostly because of starting small again; we will do our best to not repeat the same mistakes and we welcome all Debian Developers willing to join us on this route.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 28 2014, @07:20PM
Given how events unfolded this was inevitable, the discontent has been obvious and even bitter on most Debian systemd related threads. They have a huge task ahead of them, and I can’t help feeling it needs some names behind the project to gain credibility.
There has been a lot of talk about do-o-cracy and here are folks who are doing exactly that, so I see little ground for criticism, unless some folks believe there should be no alternatives to systemd which doesn't make sense. Running them to the ground before they have even started is just small minded.
I think people should opt for Systemd, that's usually what happens with exciting projects that deliver a lot of benefits. They gain widespread adoption from users. People running Linux, especially servers are not illiterate and there is no reason technical folks will simply shy away from real improvements. Clearly this remains contentious and unsettled.
And its cause for concern when Debian which has always been conservative suddenly adopts systemd which is far from tested, has a large number of bugs reports as any project of this scope would, rather than letting it mature and having a transition period. The whole way systemd was introduced as a bug report??? in the TC committee itself has an element of politics about it.
The arrogance and trivialization of users around do-o-cracy is also unseemly from a community that is built on user adoption. It's only because of users that projects have traction and influence. A project without users is a dead project, reactos and haiku have developers, but its users and adoption that gives a project influence and purpose. Anyone who has started a project will confirm in the beginning with zero users every single user counts. And then to turn around after you have build a user base and influence and dismiss users as irrelevant as we are seeing on the Debian mailing lists and so many of the debates is a reflection of a completely dysfunctional community.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 28 2014, @08:13PM
Like Sly said "Different strokes for different folks".
The crowd who came of age running Windoze and who just want to get into their GUIfied apps (and who will never config anything at the system level) may just continue to use Debian with systemd.
Folks who liked Debian before systemd and who don't see a need for GNOME on their servers may find this fork to be the ticket.
Perhaps there will be cross-pollination between the 2 projects and, with time, each will become ever better for its set of users.
Extrapolating an incomplete/partially-tested one-size-fits-all approach across a broad base is what is at the heart of the current unrest.
-- gewg_
(Score: 2) by kaszz on Friday November 28 2014, @08:57PM
Just because people does things, doesn't mean it's a good thing to include them in the project. Perhaps some projects should have more discernment regarding what architectural, APi and code changes that is accepted.
Now we just have wait for the moles to infiltrate this project as well and introduce some bad architectural changes.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Arik on Friday November 28 2014, @09:21PM
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 29 2014, @12:58AM
Except the ReactOS project