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posted by LaminatorX on Friday November 28 2014, @01:49PM   Printer-friendly
from the and-so-it-begins dept.

Devuan.org announces:

Devuan is spelled in Italian and it is pronounced just like "DevOne" in English.

[...]is it really a fork?
This is just the start of a process, as bold as it sounds to call it a fork of Debian.

[...]Devuan aims to be a base distribution whose mission is protect the freedom of its community of users and developers. Its priority is to enable diversity, interoperability and backward compatibility for existing Debian users and downstream distributions willing to preserve Init freedom.

Devuan will derive its own installer and package repositories from Debian, modifying them where necessary, with the first goal of removing systemd, still inheriting the Debian development workflow while continuing it on a different path: free from bloat as a minimalist base distro should be. Our objective for the spring of 2015 is that users will be able to switch from Debian 7 to Devuan 1 smoothly, as if they would dist-upgrade to Jessie, and start using our package repositories.

Devuan will make an effort to rebuild an infrastructure similar to Debian, but will also take the opportunity to innovate some of its practices. Devuan developers look at this project as a fresh new start for a community of interested people and do not intend to enforce the vexation hierarchy and bureaucracy beyond real cases of emergency. We are well conscious this is possible for us mostly because of starting small again; we will do our best to not repeat the same mistakes and we welcome all Debian Developers willing to join us on this route.

 
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  • (Score: 2) by CRCulver on Friday November 28 2014, @08:10PM

    by CRCulver (4390) on Friday November 28 2014, @08:10PM (#120936) Homepage

    Why on earth do you imagine people that do not want or need systemd would waste their time trying to 'fix' it?

    Even many of systemd's harshest critics feel there is a need to overhaul Sysvinit, and projects like OpenRC and Upstart (just to mention the largest two alternatives, there are even more still in the hobbyist stage) certainly need more manpower. Perhaps that's what the OP meant. The uselessd project has also been very successful in reducing systemd from a gargantuan and ever-growing monster to a strictly defined init service, though I fear they will always be playing catchup with Red Hat.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Arik on Friday November 28 2014, @09:18PM

    by Arik (4543) on Friday November 28 2014, @09:18PM (#120958) Journal
    We had a discussion on another board last month and I recall there were at least a half dozen new 'modern' init systems out there.

    Some seem like very good systems, but they all have the same problem. Very few people need them, so they have a hard time drumming up support or getting anyone excited about replacing the well-worn old system they already know how to use for little to no gain.

    Systemd is no better (in fact considerably worse from what I know) than the others technically, but it has considerable political backing, and that's the only reason they are seeing adoption.
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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 29 2014, @05:00AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 29 2014, @05:00AM (#121034)

    Debian SysV is allready overhauled.
    It supports and uses parallel booting since 2 releases ago.

    It's just as fast as systemd in reality.

    • (Score: 2) by CRCulver on Saturday November 29 2014, @11:47AM

      by CRCulver (4390) on Saturday November 29 2014, @11:47AM (#121074) Homepage
      Parallel booting isn't the only thing people want from a modern init system. Automatically restarting crashed daemons is another feature that Upstart and OpenRC offer.
      • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Saturday November 29 2014, @07:12PM

        by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Saturday November 29 2014, @07:12PM (#121153) Journal

        Automatically restarting crashed daemons is a good idea...in a FEW use cases. Generally, however, that's not what you want. And making it a part of an init system seems brain-dead. It should be a settable parameter, and NOT a part of the init system, but of some later process.

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      • (Score: 1) by monster on Monday December 01 2014, @03:05PM

        by monster (1260) on Monday December 01 2014, @03:05PM (#121523) Journal

        As HiThere already states, it's ok for some cases, not always. Anyway, that's what watchdogs are for.