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The first Capitol rioter to go on trial was ordered to spend more than seven years behind bars -- the longest sentence yet in a Jan. 6 case -- for obstructing Congress and threatening his two children to keep them quiet, among other crimes.
Guy Reffitt, a Texas member of the Three Percenters militia group, was sentenced Monday by US District Judge Dabney Friedrich in Washington. He was convicted by a jury in March.
Texas Militia Member Given Seven-Year Term in Longest Jan. 6 Sentence to Date
Insurrectionist who stormed Capitol with gun gets 7 years
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(Score: 0, Troll) by khallow on Monday August 01 2022, @09:13PM (93 children)
So no insurrection in there. Would be a bummer if this witch hunt-style obsession with insurrection helped elect Trump in 2024, wouldn't it? I'm fine with people getting charged for the crimes they actually did.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Monday August 01 2022, @09:18PM (64 children)
Cool, then we're good with this guy who tried to overthrow the government but totally not in a insurrectionny way goes to jail now?
(Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Monday August 01 2022, @09:23PM (50 children)
(Score: 4, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Monday August 01 2022, @09:25PM (47 children)
Seems a bit light considering what he did was terrorism but whatevs!
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 01 2022, @10:17PM (33 children)
If he's a terrorist,then so as all those rioters in Portland, etc.
Wake us when somebody is convicted of insurrection, plea deals don't count
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 02 2022, @02:11AM (32 children)
Nah riots are different from terrorism and insurrection. 1/6 was literally insurrection, but many participants probably had no clue what they were doing even though just folliwing orders is not a legal defense. Lovely that being too dense to understand assaulting the capitol is your best defense for the suckers.
What I actually learned from your post is you were super triggered that liberals condemn rioting while having a valid complaint about police brutality. No one ever defended the riots, and conservatives are still struggling with Trump ordering an insurrection in an attempted coup.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 02 2022, @03:29AM (10 children)
Despite all your silly pearl clutching there, nobody has been convicted of insurrection. The whole circus show is just a distraction from Party corruption and Pelosi's insider trading
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 02 2022, @04:04AM (3 children)
This the problem with denying Hillary Clinton's war crimes. So for the purposes of gender war we must examine whether it is the case that war crimes are excusable when big men do them, but not when big women do them. This would of course indicate sexism. ICFI/SEP/IWA-RFC:
Trump’s war crime pardons: Cultivating a fascistic base in the military [wsws.org]
The “liberation” of Mosul: Washington’s latest war crime in the Middle East [wsws.org]
The murder of Qassem Suleimani and assassination as state policy [wsws.org]
Oppose Trump’s criminal war against Iran! [wsws.org]
Witness to a social crime: The reality of US immigrant child detention [wsws.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 02 2022, @06:21AM (2 children)
If only we had public modding. Is that a:
-1, How dare you insult deer leeder; or
-1, How dare you question my chivalrous and/or supremacist construction of woman and gender equality?; or
-1, How dare you imply the Democratic Party is not a progressive party and probably incapable of defending abortion?
This toboggan ride is indeed horrific to watch.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 02 2022, @08:48AM (1 child)
I sincerely believe that most of the downmodding of leftist positions is by janrinok himself. He seems personally bothered by lefty stuff, probably the result of lengthy operant conditioning in the British military during the Cold War, and a tour of duty in Northern Ireland. And, with admin powers, the downmods are potentially infinite.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 02 2022, @04:23PM
This "janrinok" guy does seem to be a bit of a wannabe tin pot dictator, far too sensitive and bitchy, takes himself way too seriously... a good mid-level bureaucrat, I suppose, but definitely not leadership material
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 02 2022, @12:39PM
Semantics is obviously not your game.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday August 02 2022, @03:44PM (4 children)
We have two convictions for Seditious Conspiracy now. [pbs.org]
So now of course it's ONLY insurrection they allegedly didn't do. Sedition is totally fine now.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 02 2022, @04:27PM (3 children)
You have plea deals, no insurrection has been proven.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday August 02 2022, @05:52PM (2 children)
There are video recordings of them committing the crimes.
Have you considered the hypothesis that they pled guilty to their crimes because they were aware of the overwhelming evidence against them?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 02 2022, @10:54PM (1 child)
Yes..
But it's bullshit, like all plea deals
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 03 2022, @04:16AM
The whole plea deal thing must be some twisted Fox narrative. You know if it was a black guy making a plea deal these regressive turds would be saying "of course he is guilty, why else do a plea deal?" The hypicrisy shouldn't be surprising anymore.
(Score: 1, Redundant) by khallow on Tuesday August 02 2022, @10:57AM (20 children)
Show us that order. It's bizarre how light these accusations are on evidence. If everything is as obvious as you claim, then you can show us the actual crimes, right?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 02 2022, @12:32PM (4 children)
Trump was not dumb enough to put that order in writing but too incompetent to pull it off. How much evidence do you need to prove an attempted coup? Watch what they did not what they said.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday August 02 2022, @01:56PM (3 children)
Depends what you're going to do with that proof. If you're just going to rant by yourself on your own pet website, then you don't even need to be remotely right. If you're going to waste my time with repeated assertions, come up with some damn evidence. The "he didn't put that in writing" dodge is just a complete fail. If it was a real order, then he did it somehow. Someone heard it somewhere. That's where your evidence lies.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 02 2022, @07:56PM (2 children)
You're right, he didn't write it down, he said it publicly in a speech just before the insurrection.
How fucking thick is your skull? Actually rhetorical question, because at this point even the stupidest Murrican understands the insurrection, which leaves only one other option for fluffy little shallow, complicity.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday August 02 2022, @11:33PM (1 child)
I read the speech transcript too. Come up with evidence next time.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 03 2022, @04:10PM
Can't fix stoopid! Good luck with your trialittle insurrectionist ;^)
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 02 2022, @12:49PM (10 children)
Let's focus on the attempted coup part of this.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/01/jan-6-terrorism-sentencing-penalty-00048922 [politico.com]
While you're busy downplaying what happened on January 6, the judge called the attack on the Capitol a "rebellion" and "a direct threat to our democracy."
You've insisted in your comments that January 6 was no big deal. The judge says it's a direct threat to our democracy. It seems the judge doesn't agree with you.
The judge might not have used the words "attempted coup" but she views the attack as serious and a real threat to democracy. Why do you disagree with her?
(Score: 0, Troll) by khallow on Tuesday August 02 2022, @02:33PM (9 children)
Again, not legally relevant or well, even right. What's the judge's evidence to support that rhetoric?
I'm fine with being right. You (and that judge as well) had a year and a half to come up with something serious. This crap is the best you have.
I'll note again the things that indicate that January 6 is genuinely no big deal.
In other words, the show is over. There's no point to wetting your pants now.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday August 02 2022, @03:22PM (1 child)
We all watched it live on TV. This is the most well documented attempted coup in history!
There was a fucking documentary crew following them around while they were planning the whole thing.
If course I'm sure none of that has penetrated your bubble.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday August 02 2022, @11:35PM
Indeed. If there was evidence, it'd be well documented. Instead, we have your evasive claims and that intriguing absence of evidence. That tells me there's no fire to go with that smoke.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 02 2022, @06:02PM (6 children)
You previously complained that the judge's words weren't quoted. I posted the judge's words, so now it's b-b-b-but the judge had a year to come up with something and she's wrong. I'm not surprised to see disingenuous arguments coming from you, though.
Do you ever get tired of being a narcissist?
It means that for the first time in the history of the United States, power was not transferred peacefully from the outgoing president to the president-elect. That is a big deal.
Militia groups like the Three-Percenters (of which Reffitt was a member) ano d Oath Keepers had stationed themselves outside of Washington, DC with caches of weapons to use force that would prevent the transfer of power [nbcnews.com]. That is a big deal.
Now, I know, your weak response will be b-b-b-b-but they never carried out their plans. It is seditious conspiracy, and they need not be successful to commit that crime. This is most definitely a big deal. While the buffoons who stormed the Capitol lacked the means to inflict serious damage, the Oath Keepers and Three-Percenters definitely had the means to do so.
Shall we also talk about how you've repeatedly lied about the number of firearms that were present?
False. The seditious conspiracy of the Oath Keepers and Three-Percenters goes well beyond just a bunch of Trump acolytes protesting and the protest getting out of hand.
Instead, the action has taken place in statehouses and with local officials, changing laws, placing more direct control over elections in the hands of partisan bodies like state legislatures, and placing loyalists on election boards who will refuse to certify future elections if they don't like the result. This is considerably more damaging in the long term. Besides, Trump is no longer in power, so there's no point in breaking into the Capitol again. These actions will make it easier to overturn a future election. These changes are supposedly being made to prevent election fraud, but there's no evidence of the alleged fraud, and the changes do not meaningfully impact actual election security. They do not serve a legitimate purpose, but they do make it easier to overturn a future election.
Yes, it's good to see people who actively opposed the rule of law being brought to justice.
You say that you're only interested in opposing allegedly false narratives about January 6.
We know about a set of false narratives that stoked the violence on January 6. Donald Trump spent months before the election making bogus claims that there would be fraud. He spent two months after the election rage tweeting about there being massive fraud during the election and that it was stolen from him. Allegations of fraud have been investigated and debunked. Even Trump's own attorney general, William Barr, stated that any fraud that occurred was much too small to impact the election.
Despite this, the false narrative persists, inspiring highly partisan so-called audits of elections in places like Maricopa County, Arizona. These so-called audits even investigated conspiracy theories, looking for evidence that completed ballots had been brought to the US from Asia. Even Cyber Ninjas couldn't find the evidence they spent months searching for, and concluded that Biden won the county by even a slightly larger margin than the official vote totals, though well within the margin of error.
Even with the abundance of evidence that allegations of election fraud are completely bogus, they continue to be the justification for policy changes in tightly contested states. These policy changes are generally do things like restricting early voting, transferring more authority over elections to very partisan bodies like legislatures, and to make it easier to overturn future elections. These changes are motivated by the false narrative that there was massive fraud.
Very few policy changes have taken place as a result of January 6. On the other hand, massive policy changes have been implemented across numerous states in response to the false allegations of massive election fraud.
Despite all of this, and your stated goal of countering false narratives, there is nary a word from you about the bogus allegations of election fraud that have led to sham audits and substantial policy changes in many states. Why is that, khallow?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 02 2022, @06:38PM
Mods and super-mods: this is an example of +5, Informative
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday August 02 2022, @08:23PM (3 children)
Well, yes to your little narrative. And you have some reason to think my argument is disingenuous rather than right?
You're doing rational argument wrong when it devolves into fatuous psychologically rambling.
Indeed. How do you know they were false narratives? Because they had the chance to make their case in court and failed. Same goes for that insurrection narrative that we hear about occasionally. I'm not similarly concerned about the Trump antics because the people who pulled those tricks are now in deep legal trouble. The system worked just fine for them.
I guess you never heard of Abraham Lincoln then. Half of the Confederacy seceded before he was sworn in, and there was an assassination attempt [wikipedia.org] as well. And the US Civil War started a little more than a month into his tenure. First time in history indeed.
Indeed. Talk about it, quote it even, but keep in mind your assertion is false in the first place. You will not profit by it.
I didn't say that evil would never happen. And you're conflating menaces. January 6 wingnuts had nothing to do with the actions of state legislatures.
Because I haven't evaluated it. I'm certainly not going to take the word of an AC for it.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 02 2022, @11:44PM (2 children)
Oh look the white supremacist isn't taking someone's word for something but demands everyone accept their opinions as fact #SoNotShocked
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday August 03 2022, @04:25AM (1 child)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2022, @11:21PM
Shut up, khallow! You are babbling and embarrassing yourself, again,
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday August 05 2022, @01:12AM
Laying your cards on the table is a starting move. It now has to survive a rational cross-examination. Imagine if we were in that court and all you had to do to convict someone was just say stuff. You could jail anyone. In a fair court, both sides provide evidence and then have that evidence cross-examined. An attorney who says shit and then gets pouty when they are required to present evidence would get jailed for contempt of court.
You, of course, can just say shit since we're not in a trial. That's your prerogative in a society (here, SN) with free speech. Moving on, I find it interesting how you anticipate the effective counterarguments that will torpedo your whole premise. Calling them "your weak response will be b-b-b-b-but" doesn't negate them in the least. In that particular paragraph we had:
"They never carried out their plans" is the real big deal contrary to narrative. It's one thing to plan something and then have it thwarted because law enforcement intercepted you before you could carry it out - with you caught red handed in the act. It's another to accuse someone of planning something they never did.
I know that there's a lot of people disinterested in prosecutor shenanigans, but they can spin great tales about all the planning that allegedly goes into a crime. But when the alleged planners had the opportunity to carry out the alleged plan and didn't - which you acknowledge happened, well maybe they didn't actually plan in the first place! It's certainly strong evidence against the conspiracy narrative.
Earlier, you once again anticipated the lethal rebuttal:
Well, that is a big problem actually. You quoted the judge's words and we find: a) those words aren't legally actionable, b) not based on evidence at hand - such as the continued lack of evidence of insurrection, and c) really just a complaint that the defendant was crazy ("border on delusional", "way outside the mainstream"). Attempting to use this court case as evidence of an insurrection was dumb in the first place. This is just doubling down on it.
(Score: 5, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday August 02 2022, @03:25PM (3 children)
Here is a transcript of the Trump speech where he tells them to march to the Capitol to fight like hell. [npr.org]
Burying your head in the sand does not make the uncomfortable facts disappear.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 02 2022, @04:33PM (2 children)
Great! You have your evidence! Why haven't charges been filed??
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday August 02 2022, @05:40PM (1 child)
Team Crazy Train thinks there's about to be....
Trump's Legal Team is "Planning for Criminal Charges from the Justice Department." [vanityfair.com]
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 02 2022, @10:48PM
Mygod! You'll dance to anything! So addicted to the tabloids...
(Score: 3, Interesting) by DannyB on Monday August 01 2022, @11:17PM (2 children)
It may seem light considering what they did. It is still significant.
87 months is 7 years and 3 months. Then 3 years of supervised probation. That will no doubt include parole officer visits. Drug and alcohol tests. Travel restrictions. No guns. (boo hoo) Possibly court ordered ankle monitoring. Possibly visits with a psycho doctor.
That is more than ten years of his life. He's old enough for that to be significant. In addition he is now famous -- but not in the way he wanted. He has a record. There is the conviction. He may be unemployable.
I think we should not misunderestimate[1] the significance of this.
[1]to use a George W Bush'ism
The anti vax hysteria didn't stop, it just died down.
(Score: 3, Informative) by DannyB on Monday August 01 2022, @11:21PM
So restitution and mandatory mental health treatment.
The anti vax hysteria didn't stop, it just died down.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 03 2022, @12:55AM
The vast majority of the sentence is not for things that he did on Jan 6th, but for things he did afterwards. The crimes on the day were carrying a gun and saying nasty things about Pelosi. What got him all the prison time was interfering with witnesses and obstructing the investigation.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday August 02 2022, @12:50AM (8 children)
What does terrorism mean here? Is it something we should legally discourage?
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 02 2022, @02:17AM (5 children)
Does your brain hurt thinking up deep questions like what part of violently invading the US capitol is considered terrorism. You'll accept nothing more than possible boys will be boys style of self-justice. Icky bruh, step away from the white supremacism brah!
(Score: 0, Troll) by khallow on Tuesday August 02 2022, @03:07AM (4 children)
Sounds like we should be asking the same of you. Let me guess. Your right hemisphere got pretty sore? You know the part that deals with problem solving, memory, and reasoning?
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 02 2022, @04:14AM
Ah, this explains it, at last.
oversimplified diagram [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 02 2022, @08:58AM (2 children)
What khallow is trying to say, as an obvious rebuttal, is that it cain't hurt if you ain't got one.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday August 02 2022, @10:55AM (1 child)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 02 2022, @03:23PM
Amazing.......... I even posted a diagram [conservativetruth.org]............
Well this AC's right hemisphere is working better than ever. I got me a Wacom tablet and decided to paint along with some old Bob Ross. For music I also enjoy classical, folk (found an album of Mongolian folk songs by Black Horse that is amazing, but also stuff like an academic reconstructive approach to the music of Tolkein's Middle-Earth such as The Fellowship's In Elven Lands, though Howard Shore's work is also catchy), some EDM, progressive rock, metal, and the jazz music.
However I admit my left brain does seem to be my dominant side. I use applied set algebra and the lambda calculus on a daily basis. In fact it was through analysis of the algorithm of capitalism that I figured out (being ignorant of the existing analyses at that time) its biggest inherent contradiction and a sort of vague idea that something like class conflict might emerge especially as wealth becomes increasing concentrated in the hands of the fewer and fewer, which left me with many questions I then needed help from the big names to figure out. The Marxism has been particularly rewarding for my left brain needs of analyzing, synthesizing, logically working out what the facts are, how they fit together, critically questioning all the narratives, and trying to find the underlying logic of human political sociology.
This must be why they call Marxism left. It requires strong left brain skills like mathematics and logical analysis.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 02 2022, @12:39PM
Ted Cruz understood when he called the events of January 6 a violent terrorist attack. Perhaps you would care to explain how Mr. Cruz is wrong.
(Score: 3, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday August 02 2022, @03:27PM
#1 in the frikken Dictionary is a pretty good one:
"the unlawful use of violence or threats to intimidate or coerce a civilian population or government, with the goal of furthering political, social, or ideological objectives."
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 02 2022, @01:36PM
Prosecutors requested that the judge treat this as a case of terrorism and issue a harsher sentence as a result. The judge did explicitly reject this request. That likely has to do with the facts that Reffitt did not actually use his gun, nor did he directly attack a police officer. Let's not directly contradict the judge, because that opens doors for khallow and other apologists to spread more bullshit.
As I see it, Trump spent 2+ months inciting this riot by rage posting falsehoods on Twitter. He pressured state officials to commit fraud. He pressured his own vice president to break the law and reject legal votes. He refused to take action to protect the Capitol, even after it had been breached, and couldn't even bring himself to condemn the attack. Trump, his lawyers, and other officials in the White House conspired to overturn an election that they knew they had lost. They were well aware that their actions were illegal, which is why people like John Eastman wanted pardons. The January 6 attack could have delayed the counting of the electoral votes longer than it did, which would have given more time for state legislatures to illegally try to appoint their own electors.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 01 2022, @09:53PM
Seven and a quarter years living in a gated community?
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 02 2022, @12:54AM
I was thinking the Court should have gone with Reffitt's suggested penalty for treason.
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/08/01/guy-reffitt-jan-6-riot/ [texastribune.org]
Not worth using a new rope on, that is for sure.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 02 2022, @01:02AM (12 children)
khallow has already elaborated this. He drove there in a truck, so it wasn't an armed insurrection with intent to suspend the constitution and establish a presidential dictatorship.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday August 02 2022, @04:33AM (11 children)
Perhaps it would be enlightening to discuss my actual take [soylentnews.org] on this bit:
There's all this huffing about "armed insurrection" while ignoring what "armed" and "insurrection" means.
(Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 02 2022, @04:56AM (10 children)
Evidence of firearms in Jan. 6 crowd grows as arrests and trials mount [washingtonpost.com]:
ICFI/SEP/IWA-RFC: As January 6 hearing details fascist violence of Trump mob, Republicans rally in defense of jailed insurrectionists [wsws.org] - Trump and January 6: The evidence of a planned political coup [wsws.org]
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday August 02 2022, @05:08AM (9 children)
And well, Trump didn't light that spark. Just saying.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 02 2022, @05:54AM
Are you asking for a history of the mytho-macho bullshit from that anti-federalist wind farmer back in the late 1780s, to of course 1861, through to Waco, Ruby Ridge, and 1/6?
The Republican Party has gone past an event horizon. Either you master the Southern Strategy, or it masters you. They can't return from where they've gone now. Denial is one of the stages of grief, and soon you'll be ready to move on. Before you know it, you'll be ready to affirm life by voting for the Libertarian Party and their platform of hookers and blow in 2022.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 02 2022, @08:39AM
Apathy over a populist who lost an election by seven million votes and who telegraphed months in advance that the only way he would remain president was to 'steal' it only to project that the other side was the thief.
(Score: 4, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday August 02 2022, @03:30PM (4 children)
After a year and a half of you insisting the number is zero we have now demonstrated your false claim at least six times.
(Score: 2, Informative) by khallow on Tuesday August 02 2022, @08:35PM (3 children)
Rather [soylentnews.org] a little less than a year ago and I corrected my statements there when evidence was presented. Now it's six, right? Most who didn't take the firearms in question inside the Capitol. It's sad that you don't see how your argument fails.
What I think is utterly ridiculous about this whole thing is that it's pure theater and pretense. It doesn't matter to you whether you choose to think of it as an insurrection or not. I choose not to think of it as an insurrection because words mean things.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 03 2022, @04:14PM (2 children)
^ this person, even has to argue year / not quite a year as if that is in any way the important bit. Fun seeing your brain melt down as it clings to a desperate narrative of lies and bullshit.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday August 04 2022, @12:54AM (1 child)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 04 2022, @01:39AM
Exactly what a zombie would say! Coincidence, I think not.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 02 2022, @04:36PM (1 child)
You need to stop lying and denying facts when they are cited. Come up with something better tha nuh uh for once!
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday August 02 2022, @08:37PM
You apparently need to understand the difference between facts and evidence. Evidence is facts that distinguish between hypotheses. Some judge pontificating their opinions is not evidence. They would be doing that anyway.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 01 2022, @10:32PM (18 children)
Maybe you should read what the judge actually wrote and said during sentencing. Yeah, I know that might wreck your narrative but I can live with that.
We can't stop you from voting traitors to the Republic into office. I can only remind you that you will suffer for your folly right along with all the rest of us. (As I understand it, your buddy the runaway is anticipating around 6 million dead before it is all over.) Even worse actually, as I am already making my plans to be out of the country when the shit really hits the fan.
O, Hallelujah!!! Khallow finally has agreed that people should be charged for committing crimes they actually did! It's a rather small bit of progress,...but it is progress!
(Score: 1, Touché) by khallow on Tuesday August 02 2022, @12:44AM (17 children)
Is that legally relevant? And I note you don't quote anything from that judge yourself.
Why the feigned surprise? I've been saying that all along. The actual progress is that we're seeing mostly reasonable charges and convictions. Looks like the justice system is working.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 02 2022, @01:57AM (16 children)
Are you really trying to argue that a legal opinion written by a judge and what a judge says in open court are not legally relevant? Seriously?!? What, exactly, would you consider legally relevant?
Oh, come now. Grow up, big boy! I'm sure you are old enough to read for yourself. No, I'm not going to put any more effort into educating you.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 02 2022, @02:22AM (6 children)
But false bravado gets other people to have longer than deserved discussions with khallow and he just gish gallups statements.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday August 02 2022, @04:34AM (5 children)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 02 2022, @05:24AM (4 children)
You are so completely hopeless. Just what on earth is the actual natural of this truth you are attempting to defend? That the Republican Party is redeemable? No dude the Republican Party has gone beyond an event horizon. They will never again be a party of small business and yankee know-how. 1/6 was an attempted coup. We have to have vote Libertarian now, for legal hookers and blow....
(I'm not joking.... [lp.org])
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday August 02 2022, @10:51AM (3 children)
No. I merely point out that there's all these bullshit narratives going on such as the one of the title: "Insurrectionist who stormed Capitol with gun". There's been plenty of time to provide evidence of said insurrection, and this is the type of small league crap we have - a dude charged with some minor crimes. The January 6 protest has been ridiculously exaggerated.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 02 2022, @03:42PM (2 children)
You aren't going to heal until you admit that the Republican Party is not the capitalist party you thought it was. I think you already know this on some level, and that conflict within you drives you to take increasingly absurd positions.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday August 02 2022, @08:43PM (1 child)
I don't support the Republican party. That's your delusion. It's interesting how these same narratives about my alleged outlook on life keep getting repeated without even the slightest attempt to align them with reality. I'm not conservative. I don't support the Republican party - the last major party presidential candidate I voted for was Bill Clinton in 1992. I didn't support the January 6 protest or the Trump election games. And most of this, I've written a bunch about. But because I don't participate in the latest Orwellian two minute hate, then the narratives get spun.
Physician, heal thyself.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 03 2022, @04:42PM
And yet you have their talking points perfectly memorized. That's not a delusion.
It's probably because everyone can easily see through your bullshit. You aren't fooling anyone.
So I guess it's just a coincidence that you always dutifully jump to their defense with the most outlandish legal theories at every opportunity? What a surprise!
What people hate so much is that a bunch of thugs showed up at the US Capitol on 1/6 with the purpose of overturning an election. Why you consider this "Orwellian" is anybody's guess.
If only you would take your own medicine!
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday August 02 2022, @03:04AM
Indeed. Because it's true. I notice elsewhere that DannyB quoted the story about this case:
That's a classic example of a judge saying something that isn't legally relevant. "Antithesis of patriotism" is a flowery phrase not a crime.
In other words, you're wasting my time? Again?
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday August 02 2022, @03:32PM (7 children)
Twitter posts, Youtube videos, websites that still use blink tags..... He will literally consider ANYTHING legally relevant so long as it conforms to his pre-determined conclusion about Jan 6.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 02 2022, @04:44PM (6 children)
Me, I'll just wait until you cough up a real conviction, based on real evidence, of an insurrection, not "obstruction of a proceeding" and trespassing
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 02 2022, @08:11PM (5 children)
Ah, I see! So, you are going to hang your hat on "until a judge and a jury use that word insurrection, I don't believe it"? So, that is the hill you are choosing to die on? OK, buddy! I will just note that at least a couple of guys have already pleaded guilty in court to "seditious conspiracy". Not quite that word insurrection yet, but the noose is getting tighter. Sleep well. For now, at least.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday August 02 2022, @08:45PM (4 children)
Pretty much.
And I've already noted how seedy a process plea bargaining is.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 03 2022, @04:19AM (3 children)
You poor baby, I hate yo imagine what will happen to your psyche once all the excuses are debunked.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday August 03 2022, @04:26AM (1 child)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 03 2022, @06:03PM
The people not denying realuty are the idiots, ok bub, whatever you say. Can you promise to not go on a mass shooting spree at least? Pretty please?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 03 2022, @07:31PM
My guess is that he will then come up with a new narrative. He will, of course in his own mind, be the misunderstood dark knight hero of that narrative as well. No, no one should be at all surprised when it happens.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by DannyB on Monday August 01 2022, @11:23PM (5 children)
I'll quote what the judge wrote:
Try to construe it to be whatever mission of God that you want it to be.
Words like "antithesis of patriotism" mean something. What do you call someone who is the antithesis of patriotism? Domestic terrorist? Insurrectionist? Hero to the Republican Party?
The anti vax hysteria didn't stop, it just died down.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 01 2022, @11:31PM (3 children)
Bunch of bullshit psychobabble... Insurrection is not among the charges he was convicted of.
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 02 2022, @02:01AM (2 children)
Yeah, they're really trying to downplay the coup and allow excuses. Pretty sad "party of personal responsibility" you got there. Any actual values yall stick to?
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday August 02 2022, @06:00PM (1 child)
It's only amusing to me because they continue to try and spin it so hard it's funny.
I guess that's probably trolling but if they really did just drop it I likely would also!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 02 2022, @11:06PM
No, it's not trolling.. that's just your democrat mod squad talking
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday August 02 2022, @01:11AM
Sounds like it doesn't mean enough to nail down the meaning. I certainly wouldn't call it any of your list above.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 02 2022, @11:49AM
What happened to your narrative that there was only one gun at the Capitol that day? Better move those goalposts again.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 02 2022, @12:22PM
LOL. Liberals sure as hell aren't motivated to vote for Biden, but they will show up in droves to vote against Trump. Even the small portion of conservatives left who actually have a conscience aren't going to vote for Trump, and might well vote against him.
For people whose heads aren't firmly up Trump's ass, and who don't go around showing their blind obedience to Trump by repeating his "witch hunt" rhetoric, Trump is damn unpopular. If Trump is the Republican nominee, that would be a massive gift for Biden and Democrats. It's basically handing the election to Democrats when pretty much any other Republican opponent would defeat Biden.
If Trump is the nominee in 2024, you'd better hope that all the Republican plans at the state level to steal elections (intervention by state legislatures, stacking local election boards with people who believe Trump's conspiracy theories, voter suppression laws, etc...) are effective. The only way Trump wins against Biden is if he steals the election. Trump lost in 2020 and he's going to do even worse in 2024.
You should be hoping that Merrick Garland and the DOJ investigate the hell out of Trump, finds lots of crimes to charge him with, and that Trump goes to prison. If Trump wins the Republican nomination, that's not going to work out well for Republicans.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 02 2022, @01:36PM
Meh, w/o Florida and Fox you think?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by DannyB on Monday August 01 2022, @10:59PM (6 children)
Finally. These domestic terrorists are actually being tried and punished.
All based on a lie. Actually a stack of lies. Lies made up out of thin air with no substance that could ever be produced in sixty some court cases.
Here is hoping every last one of the guilty are rounded up and tried.
Dew process of law and a jury of their piers.
Speaking of things based on lies, those Dominion and Smartmatic lawsuits are also going to play out. Billions of dollars damages to their businesses caused by bold brazen LIES. Lies that were trivially fact checked. I've posted at length about these in my own past journal articles.
They think they can do these things with impunity.
The anti vax hysteria didn't stop, it just died down.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 02 2022, @01:54AM
"They think they can do these things with impunity."
Not a fascist coup otherwise.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday August 02 2022, @05:09AM (4 children)
Maybe back in early 2021. Time moved on.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 02 2022, @07:32AM (3 children)
You're still denying it shows your words are lies. Time to move on. With reality.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday August 02 2022, @10:45AM
Denying what? Let us recall what was claimed:
Are you going to claim that the people facing serious consequences for their actions like jail time, massive fines, and disbarment still feel they got away with something "with impunity"? Who's "denying"?
Let's stop being idiots here. There's a bunch of people who thought they could get away with this back in early 2021. And well, they didn't.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 02 2022, @01:17PM (1 child)
Why would khallow move on? Being a paid shill about January 6 brings in too much income.
You didn't think khallow could actually make a living running a hot dog stand, did you? That's about as believable as thinking that APK could actually afford a home from selling the string sorting program for hosts files that he wrote in Turbo Pascal.
Khallow will move on from January 6 once it becomes less lucrative to be paid as a shill.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 02 2022, @04:38PM
Ooooh, actual shills with payment and everything. Explains so much about runaway and khallow.