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Journal by khallow
Once more, we have journals about the alleged insurrection of January 6. My take on that is that even if you're a US poster, the US is a free country and thus, you are free to be idiots. I'm also free to tell you that.
But you miss the real story. I quite agree that Trump riled up a bunch of loyal supporters and pointed them at the Capitol. I quite agree that he and his lackeys then dragged their feet on defending the Capitol from a riot that he caused. Those are shitty moves, but genuine politics - meaning any supporter who put up with his shenanigans (he's done worse) to that point isn't going to be concerned about some more shenanigans. Maybe it even rises to the level of insurrection though I'd like to see more there than some impotent whining that Trump didn't sign a confession.
The nasty move is near instantly throwing those supporters under the bus. This is the real Trump. They did what Trump wanted them to do and now they're fucked without a word of encouragement or any other support from Trump. Same goes for the people who filed all those useless lawsuits.
He's over it.
Here, we have naked betrayal of his most loyal followers - rewarded for their efforts with prison time and huge fines. If Trump's critics can't run with that, then we need a new batch.
But you miss the real story. I quite agree that Trump riled up a bunch of loyal supporters and pointed them at the Capitol. I quite agree that he and his lackeys then dragged their feet on defending the Capitol from a riot that he caused. Those are shitty moves, but genuine politics - meaning any supporter who put up with his shenanigans (he's done worse) to that point isn't going to be concerned about some more shenanigans. Maybe it even rises to the level of insurrection though I'd like to see more there than some impotent whining that Trump didn't sign a confession.
The nasty move is near instantly throwing those supporters under the bus. This is the real Trump. They did what Trump wanted them to do and now they're fucked without a word of encouragement or any other support from Trump. Same goes for the people who filed all those useless lawsuits.
He's over it.
Here, we have naked betrayal of his most loyal followers - rewarded for their efforts with prison time and huge fines. If Trump's critics can't run with that, then we need a new batch.
One more on that January 6 protest
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(Score: 0, Offtopic) by khallow on Tuesday August 02 2022, @06:29PM (10 children)
A person would also be considered convicted if the police framed them by planting evidence. Merely being considered "convicted of a crime" is not that relevant legally when we have dysfunctional legal processes at play. Plea bargaining is presently one of those dysfunction processes.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 02 2022, @07:15PM (7 children)
Do you have any evidence that the police framed them in this case?
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday August 02 2022, @07:45PM (6 children)
Nope, and I don't think that's an issue here.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 03 2022, @07:35PM (5 children)
If you don't think that's an issue in this case then why did you mention it?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 03 2022, @10:48PM (4 children)
The dictionary is your friend. Look up "hypothetical".
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 03 2022, @11:05PM (3 children)
Yes, I'm sure we all know the meaning of hypothetical, but that is not what khallow claimed. When pressed about people being convicted or taking plea deals, khallow suggested that some of these people were being "framed" by the police. This wreaks yet again of deflection. When I asked him if he had any evidence to support his accusation he said no. Again, this wreaks of khallow's standard playbook of deflection when cornered. Of course, if he does find any evidence that people were being framed by the police then he should put it forward so that we can all evaluate it on its merits.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday August 04 2022, @02:19AM (2 children)
Actually it is what I claimed. Reading comprehension is your friend.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 05 2022, @08:59AM (1 child)
hypothetically guilt of a crime is not proven in disfunctional legal process, just as insurrection cannot happen in disfunctional political processes. got it: US was always a bannana republic, not worthy of serious consideration.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday August 05 2022, @11:52AM
As has been noted, the defendant is just as convicted.
Maybe learn something next time rather than sputter non sequiturs?
(Score: 2) by Mykl on Thursday August 04 2022, @05:29AM (1 child)
I agree that plea bargaining in the US is rife with problems, but in functioning democracies we still see conviction rates of up to 95% without trials. This is because some cases are so open-and-shut that the felon has no advantage in taking the case to trial. For example, someone charged with car theft is likely to take a plea deal when there is CCTV footage of them stealing the car, their prints are all over the wheel, and the car was recovered from their property.
Taking a plea deal should be considered functionally equivalent to being found guilty in court (again, functioning democracies only - USA need not apply).
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday August 04 2022, @12:26PM
No and that's why.