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Journal by Runaway1956

UK’s National Health Service has ordered the closure of a controversial gender clinic for children over a report revealing that some health staff felt pressured to take “an unquestioning affirmative approach” to children experiencing gender dysphoria.

The Tavistock Centre, in north London, is known as the Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS). Tavistock was founded in 1920 and originally focused on helping WWI shellshock victims. Since then it has grown to encompass a variety of services under the Tavistock and Portman NHS Trust banner, with GIDS focusing on child gender issues. Since 1989 GIDS has treated 19,000 children with gender dysphoria (the feeling that one’s true identity is the opposite gender of their physical body).

The external report expressed concerns, among them the lack of knowledge about the effects of puberty blockers. Dr. Hilary Cass, the head of the review, wrote a letter to the head of NHS England on July 19:

…the most significant knowledge gaps are in relation to treatment with puberty blockers, and the lack of clarity about whether the rationale for prescription is as an initial part of a transition pathway or as a ‘pause’ to allow more time for decision making.

We do not fully understand the role of adolescent sex hormones in driving the development of both sexuality and gender identity through the early teen years, so by extension we cannot be sure about the impact of stopping these hormone surges on psychosexual and gender maturation. We therefore have no way of knowing whether, rather than buying time to make a decision, puberty blockers may disrupt that decision-making process.

It’s interesting to read a professional admitting that they do not know everything about gender dysphoria and transition because every time I hear an “expert” they sound as if there are no unanswered questions and that we have a full understanding of the effects of hormone blockers and surgery. If you want to see people who are completely sure of their realities, check out Matt Walsh’s documentary, What is a Woman, read Bonchie’s piece on it, or just read below:

Pediatrician tells Matt Walsh 'your sperm don't make you male,' 'wonderful' puberty blockers are 'completely reversible' in 'What Is a Woman?' documentary https://t.co/umKVYPgmbT

https://redstate.com/bobhoge/2022/08/12/uk-pediatric-gender-clinic-forced-to-close-after-damning-report-faces-legal-action-from-former-patients-n611473

https://www.theblaze.com/news/walsh-what-is-a-woman

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/tavistock-gender-clinic-lawyers-latest-b2143006.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-62335665

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by janrinok on Sunday August 14 2022, @02:14PM (14 children)

    by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Sunday August 14 2022, @02:14PM (#1266585) Journal
    What makes you think that I am doing the moderation?
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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 14 2022, @07:54PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 14 2022, @07:54PM (#1266623)

    No one, but you are one of the staff responsible for correcting incorrect mods, and you choose to be the mouthpiece for SN staff. Odd how you evade responsibility all the time but are very happy to pronounce edicts of the SN board. You have only yourself to blame at this point.

  • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Monday August 15 2022, @03:07PM (12 children)

    by DeathMonkey (1380) on Monday August 15 2022, @03:07PM (#1266756) Journal

    Because you have assured us that these decisions are made by consensus among all the staff.

    So if you weren't involved was that a lie?

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by janrinok on Monday August 15 2022, @06:08PM (11 children)

      by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Monday August 15 2022, @06:08PM (#1266806) Journal

      Any member of our community can moderate a story - I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. The fact that someone has received a spam moderation doesn't mean it was made by a member of staff.

      Decisions regarding bans, or other matters regarding the operation of the site, are made by consensus.

      I am willing to discuss this further if you can clarify what exactly you think that I have done / not done.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 15 2022, @07:45PM (10 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 15 2022, @07:45PM (#1266835)

        Clean up the spam mods. I am not aristarchus yet got a spam mod for pointing out the hypicrisy on the site. Censorship usually does start with preventing criticism. It is 100% ideological bias at work at this point. Someone mocks janrinok? Must be aristarchus! Must ban with soam mods! Just according to the site rules that allow spam mods (bans) for "filth" should have runaway and ethanol pilled banned, but instead any AC left of hitler must be aristarchus and thus harrassed repeatedly.

        • (Score: 3, Informative) by janrinok on Monday August 15 2022, @08:33PM (9 children)

          by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Monday August 15 2022, @08:33PM (#1266854) Journal

          I am currently in bed! I don't sit on this site 24hrs a day. I usually check Spam moderations once or twice day. If someone thinks that your comment is Spam they may moderate it so. If we disagree then we will revert the moderation - but not at any time of the day or night that you want me to. If somebody repeatedly abuses the moderation system then we warn them about future abuse and the possible consequences.

          I give my time voluntarily - that doesn't mean that I am at your beck and call. I don't work for you.

          Lots of people make moderations. Lots of people receive them. I am not responsible for them. I am not the only admin responsible for cleaning them up either.

          You don't know who has been banned recently unless they have told you, do you? There are different types of ban (moderation, commenting, anonymous commenting, submissions). You cannot tell what bans someone is currently serving.

          I'll be back online tomorrow - when I choose to do so. And I will also be packing for my holiday and I have some appointments so my time will be limited.

          Send an email if you have a particular problem that you think needs urgent attention.

          • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 15 2022, @08:58PM (8 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 15 2022, @08:58PM (#1266860)

            janrinok's had a rough day, now that his endless dissembling has been exposed. It's fine, get some rest, hun. Make yourself a nice cup of loose leaf chamomile tea, with a little honey and milk. That really helps me unwind after a long day. ^_^ I'm sure you'll do the right thing in the morning, and ban EF and runaway.

            • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Tuesday August 16 2022, @03:11AM (7 children)

              by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday August 16 2022, @03:11AM (#1266909) Journal

              You simply don't understand, do you. How do you know that they are not already banned from something?

              • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 16 2022, @04:03AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 16 2022, @04:03AM (#1266916)

                Good morning. It looks like Runaway is posting about multivitamins [soylentnews.org], and I wonder which sock modded that sad pathetic excuse for a comment up.

              • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 16 2022, @06:14AM (3 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 16 2022, @06:14AM (#1266923)

                You simply don't understand, do you.

                Well, actually, I simply do not. For the longest time, I chalked this up to my lack of understanding. But lately, it is more and more clear that this is not the problem. SN allows anti-semitism and our generic Little River redneck hillbilly racism, to what end? The only conclusion one can draw, after the public banning of the leftist aristarchus, is that the site supports the alt-right, and all that goes with that. I do not understand how janrinok could allow this to happen.

                • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday August 17 2022, @12:50PM (2 children)

                  by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday August 17 2022, @12:50PM (#1267161) Journal

                  For the longest time, I chalked this up to my lack of understanding.

                  And you would be right to continue to chalk this up to your lack of understanding. Don't see the point to the rest of your post.

                  SN allows anti-semitism and our generic Little River redneck hillbilly racism, to what end?

                  Free speech, of course. Your inability to comprehend or handle other peoples' viewpoints is not our problem.

                  • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 19 2022, @06:23AM (1 child)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 19 2022, @06:23AM (#1267456)

                    OH, I can handle them, my tiny khallow. In fact, I handle them too well, by showing that they are completely insane. And then I mock them, mercilessly. But, you already know this quite well, do you not, insurrection denier khallow? Market based solutions do not work with the insane. Or perhaps that _is_ your angle?

                    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday August 19 2022, @10:22AM

                      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 19 2022, @10:22AM (#1267477) Journal

                      In fact, I handle them too well, by showing that they are completely insane.

                      I guess complete insanity isn't what it used to be since you haven't shown much of anything.

                      Market based solutions do not work with the insane.

                      Not even wrong.

              • (Score: 0, Spam) by Philomarchus on Tuesday August 16 2022, @08:06AM

                by Philomarchus (18040) on Tuesday August 16 2022, @08:06AM (#1266937)

                Fancy seeing you here, janrinok. It's been awhile, old friend.