It's on their border, and there is a high probability some of that Ukrainian shelling may have crossed over, all bets are off in your phony little "morality" play here. You really are quite the desktop warrior, eh?
There's this insistence on the "high probability" of a possible act that could tenuously be considered provocation for some sort of Russian military action, followed by absolutely no real world evidence of Ukrainian shelling over Russia's border (during the pre-2022 era) in the huge number of posts that followed. This was a common tactic in the thread, introduce arguments and then never mention them again - after they fall flat, though there were a few loyally carrying the Ukrainian nazi argument to ludicrous levels. The real argument was a repeated baseless accusation that I was somehow repeated mass media claims, or western propaganda and lies. And of course, the usual idiotic conceit that if they had ever presented a rational, well-informed argument, it would go unappreciated on me, the sole reader of SoylentNews.
My take is that when all the terrible reasoning and arguments are on one side, maybe it's because the side is deeply flawed in some way. I think for this war it's because the pro-Russian side can only hold its viewpoint via a complete abandonment of reason and morality.
Second, for an example of what we can learn from biased media sources, the Kherson counterattack appears to be happening - both Ukraine and Russia have claimed it is ongoing with very different spins on how well it's going down. But there's a few things I can figure out from this even in the presence of such a fog of war. First, it's a hugely telegraphed and slowly implemented attack by the Ukrainians. That's usually a very strong indicator for failure. If the Russians can't take advantage of that, then they are really terrible even by their past performance in this war. Also, the Russians must really be in a weak position, if it's even possible to get to this point where a snail-paced counterattack can go this far. They might really be terrible enough for the attack to succeed.
We're also starting to see signs of terribleness elsewhere. For example, the US is thought to be running low on supplies of ammunition that they're providing to Ukraine like the HIMARS rockets. I think this illustrates the terrible nature of US military procurement. I think other countries face similar trouble. The military industrial complex is great for sponging up public funds, but not so great for supplying a significant war. Maybe this war will clean out some of the glaring weaknesses in various western militaries, including Russia's, but I'm not hopeful.
Added: Ukraine is tight-lipped now (September 2). My bet is that if they were rolling up Russian lines easily, they'd be non-stop talking about it. So this is an indicator that things probably aren't going well. Absence of propaganda is another way one can use a propaganda source to glean genuine information.
Finally, there's the lunacy of Russia's actions have disrupted the world and status quo in ways that harm billions of innocent people: threatening the food supply and bringing humanity to the brink of nuclear war. My premise is as follows:
You can whine about how unfair the mass media, western propaganda lies are, but well, there's this serious problem that we need to do something about before it tears apart our world. My take is that with a focused effort on development, most which doesn't even need to involve government action at all, we can make everyone in the world vastly better off. But the Russian invasion and its tremendous fallout helps hold that back. It makes the world a more terrible place.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 04 2022, @06:11PM (4 children)
You even said you don't read links, "proving" anything to you is purely an exercise in masturbation, and has already been done many many times, the pearl necklace and the Red Nose look good on you, really fits..
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday September 04 2022, @07:09PM (3 children)
That tells me you don't bother to link evidence properly. Last time this happened, the AC whined endlessly [soylentnews.org] about how easy it was to read some links in a webpage that they had dumped without justification, but never bothered to do this alleged easy work themselves.
That tells me that they don't actually buy their own story that it would be easy to do or has the evidence they claim is there. If I could just "click through and actually look at the papers", then so could Whiny AC. So why didn't they?
I've also had ACs link to long ass videos/ads, tons of nearly irrelevant links, and so on. It's a strong tell when they refuse to discuss the content.
In other words, you're not doing it right.
In summary, it remains incredibly stupid to talk up how awesome you'd be, if you chose to engage in thoughtful discussion rather than just doing it. You waste endless amounts of time with this pretense. And nobody buys it from ACs who are so ideologically and morally compromised that
Now I find you've wasted my time before with the "read my links that I can't bother to say anything about" game. I'm not surprised that a person who can't argue their way out of a wet paper bag has had trouble with other wet paper bags.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 04 2022, @07:44PM (2 children)
:-) There you go again... pretending to be Tolstoy to sell another war with official lies.. with bullet points! How quaint.. Eh, by all means.. I am amused
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday September 04 2022, @11:25PM (1 child)
The problem here is that "pretending to be Tolstoy" is vastly superior to "Did not! Did too!". I am saying something.
And once again, this sort of exercise is a blatant acknowledgement of the worthlessness of your claims. You post and post about how much you dislike the length of my posts or just asserting that I'm "lying", and not one word defending your claims.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 05 2022, @12:40AM
Well, you know, that's just because, you are