Given how often libertarians are mentioned here, I thought this would be interesting. And maybe there's some people with a lot more insight into what's going on.
A few months back (May 29), the national leadership of the Libertarian Party (the "Big L" political party, not the "small l" belief system) was taken over by a group called the "Mises Caucus". While their platform seems to be a mundane version of a normal platform.
In recent days, there's several state level "rebellions" which seems to indicate that the schism between the old guard and them isn't going away any time soon.
For me, they do seem to tilt at absolutist windmills rather than do stuff they want done - which is a common libertarian flaw. And the implicit emphasis on Mises economics is a huge problem for me. Their stance against vaccination and supporting Trump's allegations of election fraud seem pretty shifty.
OTOH, the previous leadership didn't seem all that interested in libertarianism. Maybe this will shake things up in a useful way?
So what are peoples' takes on this?
Reply to: Re:Pandemia Americana
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday October 02 2022, @10:38AM
Their "stance against vaccination" is probably them saying "let me pick the left side" and the vaccine racket saying "we want law to enforce picking the right side".
They're also picking the left side for everyone else they come in contact with. Because they spread disease, they don't just make riskier choices. Let's also keep in mind that the guns on the left - the anti-vax ones, have something like 1 bullet in two hundred chambers, while the guns on the right have something like 1 bullet in oh ten thousand chambers. We might not know how many chambers the vax guns have, but we know it's a lot more than catching the disease.
And not much point to talking about the unknowns of vaccination when you have similar unknowns for covid!
But hey go on supporting totalitarianism. See where it lands you, suckers.
One of the huge arguments for authoritarianism is that we need to be saved from ourselves. Disease is a great argument for it because you have people who routinely make poor choices that can harm a ridiculous number of other people. It's kind of a really extreme prisoner's dilemma.
In other words, a bunch of people refusing to exercise personal responsibility - thus encouraging society to act against them with authoritarian power. My observation here is that libertarianism doesn't work, if people refuse to take responsibility for their actions. Flimflam about vaccination being worse than covid is merely one such example.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday October 02 2022, @10:38AM
They're also picking the left side for everyone else they come in contact with. Because they spread disease, they don't just make riskier choices. Let's also keep in mind that the guns on the left - the anti-vax ones, have something like 1 bullet in two hundred chambers, while the guns on the right have something like 1 bullet in oh ten thousand chambers. We might not know how many chambers the vax guns have, but we know it's a lot more than catching the disease.
And not much point to talking about the unknowns of vaccination when you have similar unknowns for covid!
One of the huge arguments for authoritarianism is that we need to be saved from ourselves. Disease is a great argument for it because you have people who routinely make poor choices that can harm a ridiculous number of other people. It's kind of a really extreme prisoner's dilemma.
In other words, a bunch of people refusing to exercise personal responsibility - thus encouraging society to act against them with authoritarian power. My observation here is that libertarianism doesn't work, if people refuse to take responsibility for their actions. Flimflam about vaccination being worse than covid is merely one such example.