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Given how often libertarians are mentioned here, I thought this would be interesting. And maybe there's some people with a lot more insight into what's going on.
A few months back (May 29), the national leadership of the Libertarian Party (the "Big L" political party, not the "small l" belief system) was taken over by a group called the "Mises Caucus". While their platform seems to be a mundane version of a normal platform.
In recent days, there's several state level "rebellions" which seems to indicate that the schism between the old guard and them isn't going away any time soon.
For me, they do seem to tilt at absolutist windmills rather than do stuff they want done - which is a common libertarian flaw. And the implicit emphasis on Mises economics is a huge problem for me. Their stance against vaccination and supporting Trump's allegations of election fraud seem pretty shifty.
OTOH, the previous leadership didn't seem all that interested in libertarianism. Maybe this will shake things up in a useful way?
So what are peoples' takes on this?
A few months back (May 29), the national leadership of the Libertarian Party (the "Big L" political party, not the "small l" belief system) was taken over by a group called the "Mises Caucus". While their platform seems to be a mundane version of a normal platform.
In recent days, there's several state level "rebellions" which seems to indicate that the schism between the old guard and them isn't going away any time soon.
For me, they do seem to tilt at absolutist windmills rather than do stuff they want done - which is a common libertarian flaw. And the implicit emphasis on Mises economics is a huge problem for me. Their stance against vaccination and supporting Trump's allegations of election fraud seem pretty shifty.
OTOH, the previous leadership didn't seem all that interested in libertarianism. Maybe this will shake things up in a useful way?
So what are peoples' takes on this?
What's happening with the US Libertarian Party?
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(Score: 4, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 18 2022, @04:08AM (7 children)
Are these the same covid-skeptic folks that accused Fauci and even the Republican administration under Trump of violation of their freedoms?
Stick it to the man all you like but if your liberties infringe on other people's health, do keep your 6 feet distance away please and thank you.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 18 2022, @05:11AM (2 children)
That topic died months ago. You might check if those booster-shot blood clots are getting to your brain.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 18 2022, @02:06PM (1 child)
You have a natural immunity to those clots.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 18 2022, @05:37PM
Clots! What clots? From the virus shots? That's a right-wing conspiracy, it's fake news, it's sedition, it's an attempt to overthrow the government. That kind of talk has no place in our American democracy.
The shots are doing well, people are being saved, children are being masked, and we need to thank our lucky (Red) stars that the virus will continue, ad infinitum.
(Score: 0, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 18 2022, @05:57AM (1 child)
Even better if that distance could be vertical, preferably in the down direction.
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Seems the Libertarians are getting woke. Suddenly they realize that Ron Paul was just an old racist. Recently the Virginia Libertarian party voted to disband [nbcwashington.com] to disassociate from the racists and Dominionists, or in other words, Republicans.
Still not sure how things will stand with khallow, however. Maybe he was brought in a truck, so he never really was a libertarian at all.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday September 18 2022, @03:08PM
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 01 2022, @08:50AM (1 child)
Let's play russian roulette. You get to shoot your temple just once.
On the left you have 20 5-shoot revolvers. All empty but for one bullet in one revolver.
On the right you have 20 5-shoot revolvers. You dunno how many bullets are there.
Their "stance against vaccination" is probably them saying "let me pick the left side" and the vaccine racket saying "we want law to enforce picking the right side".
But hey go on supporting totalitarianism. See where it lands you, suckers.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday October 02 2022, @10:38AM
They're also picking the left side for everyone else they come in contact with. Because they spread disease, they don't just make riskier choices. Let's also keep in mind that the guns on the left - the anti-vax ones, have something like 1 bullet in two hundred chambers, while the guns on the right have something like 1 bullet in oh ten thousand chambers. We might not know how many chambers the vax guns have, but we know it's a lot more than catching the disease.
And not much point to talking about the unknowns of vaccination when you have similar unknowns for covid!
One of the huge arguments for authoritarianism is that we need to be saved from ourselves. Disease is a great argument for it because you have people who routinely make poor choices that can harm a ridiculous number of other people. It's kind of a really extreme prisoner's dilemma.
In other words, a bunch of people refusing to exercise personal responsibility - thus encouraging society to act against them with authoritarian power. My observation here is that libertarianism doesn't work, if people refuse to take responsibility for their actions. Flimflam about vaccination being worse than covid is merely one such example.