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Given how often libertarians are mentioned here, I thought this would be interesting. And maybe there's some people with a lot more insight into what's going on.
A few months back (May 29), the national leadership of the Libertarian Party (the "Big L" political party, not the "small l" belief system) was taken over by a group called the "Mises Caucus". While their platform seems to be a mundane version of a normal platform.
In recent days, there's several state level "rebellions" which seems to indicate that the schism between the old guard and them isn't going away any time soon.
For me, they do seem to tilt at absolutist windmills rather than do stuff they want done - which is a common libertarian flaw. And the implicit emphasis on Mises economics is a huge problem for me. Their stance against vaccination and supporting Trump's allegations of election fraud seem pretty shifty.
OTOH, the previous leadership didn't seem all that interested in libertarianism. Maybe this will shake things up in a useful way?
So what are peoples' takes on this?
A few months back (May 29), the national leadership of the Libertarian Party (the "Big L" political party, not the "small l" belief system) was taken over by a group called the "Mises Caucus". While their platform seems to be a mundane version of a normal platform.
In recent days, there's several state level "rebellions" which seems to indicate that the schism between the old guard and them isn't going away any time soon.
For me, they do seem to tilt at absolutist windmills rather than do stuff they want done - which is a common libertarian flaw. And the implicit emphasis on Mises economics is a huge problem for me. Their stance against vaccination and supporting Trump's allegations of election fraud seem pretty shifty.
OTOH, the previous leadership didn't seem all that interested in libertarianism. Maybe this will shake things up in a useful way?
So what are peoples' takes on this?
What's happening with the US Libertarian Party?
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The button at the top of a baseball cap.
-- "Sniglets", Rich Hall & Friends
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 21 2022, @04:56AM (17 children)
First question, what percent of libertarians are women?
Second part, libertarians are generally the people that assume everyone will act in a moral fashion. Sadly they do not realize the need for collective action, which is necesary for a healthy society.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 21 2022, @05:31AM (4 children)
Collectivism? You're barking up the wrong flagpole, comrade.
What's in somebody's pants? Mind your business.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 21 2022, @08:36PM (3 children)
Collective action != collectivism.
California's ballot propositions, letter writing campaigns to elected officials and protest marches are collective action (you know, a "collection" of people taking action).
Seizing farmland and forcing citizens to work that land whether they want to or not and state ownership of the means of production is collectivism [britannica.com]
That you conflate the two says more about you than it does about those ideas.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 22 2022, @04:30AM (1 child)
If you've made up your mind about means of this and that, and you're simply practicing your "gotcha," there's not much point in playing with you... comrade.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 22 2022, @08:35AM
Where's my '-1, What the fuck are you blathering on about?' mod when I need it.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday September 22 2022, @12:12PM
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 21 2022, @11:00AM
Percentage? Let me answer in absolute terms: 2. And they only because of their boyfriends. Whom they do not even have a contractual relation with. Just saying.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday September 21 2022, @11:21AM (10 children)
Sounds like an interesting question. Why don't you find an answer? Maybe write a journal about it?
Collective action by those everyones who will act in a moral fashion, right? There's an assumption you are making here.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 22 2022, @04:58PM (9 children)
Using democracy people are generally able to select the moral options instead of some dictator forcing them on people. Much better than just letting everyone do their own thing and hope the bad actors somehow don't gain power. Your post didn't seem like an obvious troll, but certainly gives off troll vibes.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday September 22 2022, @10:31PM (8 children)
So how's that working for you? Are people selecting good moral options?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 24 2022, @12:06AM (7 children)
I see you can only criticize the not-very-democratic system in the US while refusing to put forth any libertarian policies that would make government better. Ask questions, get angry at answers, continue to complain. Top marks.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday September 24 2022, @02:35AM (6 children)
No you don't because that never came up here. I looked through the entire discussion. And if we talk about my posts outside of this journal, I have made many suggestions (for example, here [soylentnews.org], here [soylentnews.org], here [soylentnews.org], here [soylentnews.org], here [soylentnews.org], here [soylentnews.org], here [soylentnews.org], here [soylentnews.org], here [soylentnews.org], , [soylentnews.org]here [soylentnews.org], here [soylentnews.org], here [soylentnews.org], here [soylentnews.org], here [soylentnews.org], here [soylentnews.org], here [soylentnews.org], here [soylentnews.org], here [soylentnews.org], here [soylentnews.org], here [soylentnews.org], and here [soylentnews.org].
I make no claims about the value of following up on these links. But I can say that if you follow a few of these links and you know, see, you will see me doing the things you claim you don't see me do now.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 25 2022, @09:43PM (1 child)
Not that khallow is not proud of his world-changing work here on SoylentNews, and not like he has it all indexed and cross-referenced, and at his fingertips. My take is an obvious rebuttal!
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday September 25 2022, @11:51PM
SN's search engine does all that for me. It's also funny how this thread has morphed from a serious complaint to a criticism of my indexing technique.
Is there something wrong with that?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 27 2022, @10:40AM (3 children)
Clicked one link and it was a comment about some police incident with zero policy discussion. Not even a police reform comment, just something about tox screen lowering police liability. So here we have another example of your propaganda techniques. Provide false citations and hope the wall of links impresses the lazy. Fits that womanizer persona someone tried to doxx you with.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday September 30 2022, @12:41PM (2 children)
In other words, that "incident" (no doubt the Floyd killing) was a serious crime that people were spinning in ridiculous ways such as it being standard procedure to let arrested people die or asserting that Floyd should be treated harshly during the arrest because of his previous record. You can't even start policy discussion, if you're viewing reality through a twisted lens. The observation was part of a greater discussion of police brutal and what we should do about it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 30 2022, @04:49PM (1 child)
Actual policy was requested, you responded with observations trying to play it off as the precursor to policy. Typical khallow, all hat and no cattle.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday October 01 2022, @01:54AM