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posted by hubie on Friday September 23 2022, @01:53AM   Printer-friendly
from the tilting-at-windmills dept.

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Even as more offshore wind projects launch and the turbines they use get bigger, there are questions around offshore wind’s economic viability. Unsurprisingly, hauling huge equipment with multiple moving parts out to deep, windy sections of ocean, setting them up, and building lines to transmit the electricity they generate back to land is expensive. Really expensive. In our profit-driven capitalist economy, companies aren’t going to sink money into technologies that don’t deliver worthwhile returns.

A Swedish energy company called SeaTwirl is flipping the offshore wind model on its head—not quite literally, but almost—and betting it will be able to deliver cheap renewable energy and make a profit along the way. SeaTwirl is one of several companies developing vertical-axis wind turbines, and one of just a couple developing them for offshore use.

A quick refresher on what vertical axis means: the turbines we’re used to seeing (that is, on land, at a distance, often from an interstate highway or rural road), have horizontal axes; like windmills, their blades spin between parallel and perpendicular to the ground, anchored by a support column that’s taller than the diameter covered by the spinning blades.

[...] The generator in a vertical-axis turbine, on the other hand, can be placed anywhere on said vertical axis; in an offshore context, this means it can be at the waterline or below, adding weight where weight is needed.

Vertical-axis turbines can also use wind coming from any direction. Since their rotation doesn’t take up as much space as that of horizontal-axis turbines nor create as much of a blocking effect on downwind turbines, they can be placed closer together, generating more electricity in a given footprint.

[...] The turbine will rise 180 feet (55 meters) out of the water, and its weighted central pole will reach 262 feet (80 meters) below the surface. That’s a total height of 442 feet. For perspective, the Statue of Liberty is 305 feet tall including the base and foundation. The vertical-axis turbine is still dwarfed by its horizontal-axis counterparts, though; GE’s Haliade-X is 853 feet tall, and Chinese MingYang Smart Energy Group is building a turbine that’s even a few feet taller.

Why are all the wind generators of the windmill design? This design is not novel and it has very clear engineering advantages that I'm surprised it isn't the most common design. [hubie]


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  • (Score: 2) by MIRV888 on Saturday September 24 2022, @05:07AM (1 child)

    by MIRV888 (11376) on Saturday September 24 2022, @05:07AM (#1273330)

    That doesn't mean we should stop looking for one. There are technologies coming online that are going to make a large swath of the workforce unneeded. What happens to those people when they are 'not economically viable'? We're gonna need an answer to that question and soon.

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  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday September 26 2022, @01:47AM

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday September 26 2022, @01:47AM (#1273669) Journal

    That doesn't mean we should stop looking for one.

    There's a huge difference between looking for a better system, and making up shit about the present capitalist systems. Let's review what was said just in this thread:

    • companies aren’t going to sink money into technologies that don’t deliver worthwhile returns: ignoring that nobody would invest their own resources into something they know doesn't deliver worthwhile returns.
    • greed: human greed has been around forever so it's not particular to capitalist systems, and what's missed here is that capitalist systems actually do a good job of dealing with human greed such as court systems, regulation, and just the fact that the greedy person can make vast amounts of wealth without having to harm society in the process.
    • standing on the backs of the workers: point to the modern society that doesn't do that.
    • technologies coming online that are going to make a large swath of the workforce unneeded: If everyone has access to these technologies, then it's an insignificant issue. If not, then everyone who doesn't will still be employing humans to do the work they need done. I'll note also that societies that interfere with employment via onerous regulation and taxation are the ones presently with this technology problem. My take is that if you don't punish employers, you won't have a serious problem with technology replacing people.

    Some of these will be similar problems in any system. Others, particularly "greed", are put forth even though capitalism actually does a good job of dealing with the problem.