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posted by janrinok on Friday September 23 2022, @11:35PM   Printer-friendly
from the leaks-are-for-kids dept.

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Mark Russinovich, the chief technology office (CTO) of Microsoft Azure, says developers should avoid using C or C++ programming languages in new projects and instead use Rust because of security and reliability concerns.

Rust, which hit version 1.0 in 2020 and was born at Mozilla, is now being used within the Android Open Source Project (AOSP), at Meta, at Amazon Web Services, at Microsoft for parts of Windows and Azure, in the Linux kernel, and in many other places. 

Engineers value its "memory safety guarantees", which reduce the need to manually manage a program's memory and, in turn, cut the risk of memory-related security flaws burdening big projects written in "memory unsafe" C or C++, which includes Chrome, Android, the Linux kernel, and Windows. 

Microsoft drove home this point in 2019 after revealing 70% of its patches in the past 12 years were fixes for memory safety bugs due largely to Windows being written mostly in C and C++. Google's Chrome team weighed in with its own findings in 2020, revealing that 70% of all serious security bugs in the Chrome codebase were memory management and safety bugs. It's written mostly in C++.     

"Unless something odd happens, it [Rust] will make it into 6.1," wrote Torvalds, seemingly ending a long-running debate over Rust becoming a second language to C for the Linux kernel. 

The Azure CTO's only qualifier about using Rust is that it was preferable over C and C+ for new projects that require a non-garbage-collected (GC) language. GC engines handle memory management. Google's Go is a garbage-collection language, while the Rust project promotes that Rust is not. AWS engineers like Rust over Go because of the efficiencies it offers without GC.

"Speaking of languages, it's time to halt starting any new projects in C/C++ and use Rust for those scenarios where a non-GC language is required. For the sake of security and reliability. the industry should declare those languages as deprecated," Russinovich wrote. 

Rust is a promising replacement for C and C++, particularly for systems-level programming, infrastructure projects, embedded software development, and more – but not everywhere and not in all projects.  

[...] Rust shouldn't be viewed as a silver bullet for all the bad habits developers practice when coding in C or C++. 

Bob Rudis, a cybersecurity researcher for GreyNoise Intelligence, who was formerly with Rapid7, noted developers can carry across the same bad security habits to Rust.

"As others have said, you can write "safely" in C or C++, but it's much harder, no matter what dialect you use than it is in Rust. Mind you, you can still foul up security in Rust, but it does avoid a lot of old memory problems."


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  • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday September 26 2022, @03:50PM

    by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Monday September 26 2022, @03:50PM (#1273726) Journal

    No! It's time to stop thinking software is going to magically get easier with all the IDIOTS embracing all the these low-rent, toy languages, like Java, C#, and Python. All these languages do is make incompetent people think they can be programmers.

    Yeah, MULTI BILLION dollar industries using toy languages.

    Solving complex problems without worrying about pointers, buffer overflows, memory management, type mismatches and worse things.

    Not that higher level problems cannot bring new higher level vulnerabilities. So don't get lazy if you use a higher level language.

    It's like criticizing people for using an automatic transmission instead of the wonderful manual transmission (which is getting increasingly difficult to find). Or criticizing people as being idiots for using a backhoe to dig a ditch instead of using a shovel.

    Use whatever tool you think is best. Your tool MUST be ideal for ALL possible uses. Everyone else is an idiot. Nobody could possibly be as well informed as you are.

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