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I have two brief observations on the recent elections. First, it demonstrates that the alt-right threat was overrated with what I understand is one of the best showings by an incumbent party (the Democrats) in decades - particularly unusual given the sickly state of the economy.

Second, there was an interesting strategy by someone on the Democrat side to boost alt-right candidates by attacking them and this strategy appears to have worked pretty well with a number of primary races going to alt-right candidates who then lost in the general election to a Democrat.

Discuss.
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  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 15 2022, @05:57AM (5 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 15 2022, @05:57AM (#1279818)

    > on the Democrat side to boost alt-right candidates

    In some states you can vote in the primary of a party you are not registered with--opening up the possibility of monkey wrenching another party (not your own). In these cases, I think the Dems read the tea leaves correctly and realized that Trump-supported candidates were frequently too extreme (or too nutty?) to win in the general election. Thus, voting cross party to help these extremists get on the ballot was a legal loophole. Has this tactic been used in the past, I'm not sure--anyone?? The fact that the Dems were able to pull this off is just one of several reasons that the Reps need to do some serious thinking about what their party stands for.

    Some basic info here, https://www.usa.gov/voting-political-party [usa.gov] and more details in a linked page, https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/primary-types.aspx [ncsl.org]

    The laws governing state primaries are complex and nuanced to say the least, and state primary laws have been a cause of confusion among voters and election administrators alike. The manner in which party primary elections are conducted varies widely from state to state. Primaries can be categorized as either closed, partially closed, partially open, open to unaffiliated voters, open or top-two.

  • (Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 15 2022, @07:17AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 15 2022, @07:17AM (#1279829)

    Khallow! My poor khallow! I feel your pain, I feel your testicles, I feel your libertarian need to roam free. But mostly I feel poor khallow! The poor, poor, khallow! It must hurt so bad, that the Red Wave did not wash over your body like a tide of really stupid policies and reactionary social programs! I feel your loss, and your idiocy, and your stupidity, and how you are nothing but a suck-up to the wealthy. Poor, poor, pitiful khallow. How will you ever be able to post again on SoylentNews, under the shame and derision that this loss will pile upon you! Perhaps, this is where you learn to just, fuck the shut up. Maybe. Poor khallow.

  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 15 2022, @04:28PM (5 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 15 2022, @04:28PM (#1279874)

    First, it demonstrates that the alt-right threat was overrated with what I understand is one of the best showings by an incumbent party (the Democrats) in decades

    Wrong, that shows the white supremacist threat is very real and motivated voters to go against the typical patterns. Of course you would spin such an obvious signal the wrong way.

    Second, there was an interesting strategy by someone on the Democrat side to boost alt-right candidates by attacking them and this strategy appears to have worked pretty well with a number of primary races going to alt-right candidates who then lost in the general election to a Democrat.

    You're so far off the plot you think an attack ad highlighting the craziness of MAGA candidates is an "interesting strategy"? You'd have to have no pulse to find that interesting.

    Discuss

    Discuss what? The rather expected wholly unsurprising midterms? You know that Hitler lost the first time, then gathered power for a while and BAM Nazis everywhere murdering their neighbors. Could happen in the US. Scratch that, it is already happening with the increase in political terrorism from Republican assholes.

    How about you address those real problems khallow instead of whatever this journal is supposed to be.

    • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by khallow on Tuesday November 15 2022, @10:48PM (4 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday November 15 2022, @10:48PM (#1279920) Journal

      First, it demonstrates that the alt-right threat was overrated with what I understand is one of the best showings by an incumbent party (the Democrats) in decades

      Wrong, that shows the white supremacist threat is very real and motivated voters to go against the typical patterns. Of course you would spin such an obvious signal the wrong way.

      Heh, it's the obvious rational spin. But sure, tell me how wrong it is that so many alt-righters didn't get anywhere in this election.

      You're so far off the plot you think an attack ad highlighting the craziness of MAGA candidates is an "interesting strategy"? You'd have to have no pulse to find that interesting.

      Rather you have no brain, if you think that isn't interesting.

      Discuss

      Discuss what? The rather expected wholly unsurprising midterms? You know that Hitler lost the first time, then gathered power for a while and BAM Nazis everywhere murdering their neighbors. Could happen in the US. Scratch that, it is already happening with the increase in political terrorism from Republican assholes.

      How about you address those real problems khallow instead of whatever this journal is supposed to be.

      What real problems? I think all the issues discussed in your post would be easily addressed with an attitude adjustment on your part. Nazis didn't magically appear, contrary to your insipid narrative. They were a result of decades of poor governance and hostile interference by the German military, industrialists, and a few other powerful parties. And the final destruction preceded the Nazis, such as a coup [wikipedia.org] that overthrew the state government of two thirds of Germany.

      It's the trendy cynicism to compare present day US to Nazi Germany, but there's huge differences. I grant that at some future point the US may end up subjugated by some future tyranny, but I don't agree that it's going to be an alt-right tyranny. The people wailing about the non-existent alt-right insurrection are another source of tyranny.

      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 16 2022, @12:05AM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 16 2022, @12:05AM (#1279930)

        No u =)

        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday November 16 2022, @01:56AM (2 children)

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday November 16 2022, @01:56AM (#1279938) Journal
          Sounds like you ran out of stuff to say. My advice here is to consider what white supremacists have actually done. Not how scared you are or what you think could happen if we were somehow to let these guys have the keys to the kingdom. My take is that you won't find much. I certainly haven't nor have most others in SN. For example, I've heard about the hammer guy, the scary January 6 protest, clogging up the courts with some feeble lawsuits, a few clueless politicians, and some staged FBI drama (like the Michigan governor kidnapping). No one can point to an actual national threat from these people.
          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 18 2022, @03:20PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 18 2022, @03:20PM (#1280348)

            "Oh yeah well our attack on the very basis of democracy only led to a few deaths and a lot of court cases that we don't like because consequences for actions is only for godless hippies and brown people!"

            "WTF is wrong with you?"

            No one can point to a threat? You're an idiot khallow.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by drussell on Tuesday November 15 2022, @04:47PM (7 children)

    by drussell (2678) on Tuesday November 15 2022, @04:47PM (#1279880) Journal

    First, it demonstrates that the alt-right threat was overrated

    Say WHAT?!

    It is extremely distressing that basically half of the US voters actually still voted for a party increasingly overrun with nutjobs and absolutely absurd positions... Any sort of real rebuke would have seen them completely washed out of office, but they are still immensely popular.

    The rest of the world looks on in absolute horror. It would almost be funny in a way if it were not actually so downright scary!!

    • (Score: 3, Funny) by drussell on Tuesday November 15 2022, @05:20PM (1 child)

      by drussell (2678) on Tuesday November 15 2022, @05:20PM (#1279884) Journal

      This one pretty much sums it up:

      https://i.imgur.com/mVXgqvt.png [imgur.com]

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 15 2022, @07:51PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 15 2022, @07:51PM (#1279900)

        Puppy galloping inflation, leading to diarrhea. Don't say I haven't warn you.

        PS kittens are so much better.

    • (Score: 1, Disagree) by khallow on Tuesday November 15 2022, @10:52PM (4 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday November 15 2022, @10:52PM (#1279921) Journal

      It is extremely distressing that basically half of the US voters actually still voted for a party increasingly overrun with nutjobs and absolutely absurd positions...

      You speak of both parties at this point. Not much point to complaining about half of US voters, when the other half have the same problem. The voters aren't the problem. The system that results in this bizarre ideological schism is.

      • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 16 2022, @12:12AM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 16 2022, @12:12AM (#1279931)

        You mean Republican gerrymandering and blatant abuses of our political traditions to consolidate power for the 1/3 of Americans that vote R. If not for the rightwing political corruption over the last 40 years the US of A would be in a much better state.

        We get it, you're REALLY invested in the GOP and scared to death of liberal policies already proven to work well in many European countries. But why are you scared? Because Fox News and Newt Gingrich programmed you with bullshit. Queue your usual bullshit excuses, European countries are smaller and more homogenous, universal healthcare will replace the real insurance death panels with your imaginary gov death panels. That type of top notch uninformed stuff.

        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday November 16 2022, @03:22AM (2 children)

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday November 16 2022, @03:22AM (#1279952) Journal

          You mean Republican gerrymandering and blatant abuses of our political traditions to consolidate power for the 1/3 of Americans that vote R. If not for the rightwing political corruption over the last 40 years the US of A would be in a much better state.

          While this is true, it's foolish to ignore that Republicans don't do this in a vacuum.

          We get it, you're REALLY invested in the GOP and scared to death of liberal policies already proven to work well in many European countries.

          I'm not invested in either GOP or DNC.

          But why are you scared? Because Fox News and Newt Gingrich programmed you with bullshit.

          I don't listen to either. I sense a pattern here in your narrative.

          Queue your usual bullshit excuses, European countries are smaller and more homogenous, universal healthcare will replace the real insurance death panels with your imaginary gov death panels.

          At least you've heard of them. Just keep them in mind when the inevitable problems happen.

          That type of top notch uninformed stuff.

          Sounds like your uninformed stuff is even more top notch. It's a cool story, bro, but you need a new story.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 18 2022, @07:31PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 18 2022, @07:31PM (#1280394)

            I'm not invested in either GOP or DNC.

            And yet you come galloping to the defense of Republicans at every opportunity, even going so far as to bend over backwards to make excuses for the inexcusable.

            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday November 20 2022, @05:08AM

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday November 20 2022, @05:08AM (#1280598) Journal

              And yet you come galloping to the defense of Republicans at every opportunity, even going so far as to bend over backwards to make excuses for the inexcusable.

              Is there some reason we should care what you feel is "inexcusable"? I'll note as counterexamples that I've been critical of Republican positions on covid, supported the Biden administration's military strategy in Ukraine, and haven't criticized any convictions and sentences handed out in the January 6 protests. Perhaps you should check your optics?

  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by cmdrklarg on Tuesday November 15 2022, @05:12PM (17 children)

    by cmdrklarg (5048) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday November 15 2022, @05:12PM (#1279883)

    it demonstrates that the alt-right threat was overrated with what I understand is one of the best showings by an incumbent party (the Democrats) in decades - particularly unusual given the sickly state of the economy.

    Y2K was also a similarly "overrated threat" when the 20th century ended. The actual impact was minimal, not because it was nothing, but because we did something about it.

    Imagine the chaos and damage that could have been done had we done nothing, in either case. Ignoring the alt-right is not a good strategy.

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    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday November 15 2022, @10:54PM (16 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday November 15 2022, @10:54PM (#1279922) Journal

      Imagine the chaos and damage that could have been done had we done nothing, in either case. Ignoring the alt-right is not a good strategy.

      One could say the same of the tiger-repelling rock. At least with Y2K, there was an actual problem that had already reared up multiple times.

      • (Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 16 2022, @12:00AM (9 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 16 2022, @12:00AM (#1279928)

        Except we have Republicans passing anti-voting legislation, stochastic terrorism resulting in a large increase of political violence from Republicans, best demonstrated by the Republican insurrection on 1/6 over lies about the election. Woops, you don't believe in the insurrection, best we leave you alone with your alternative-world.

        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday November 16 2022, @03:08AM (8 children)

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday November 16 2022, @03:08AM (#1279948) Journal

          stochastic terrorism resulting in a large increase of political violence from Republicans, best demonstrated by the Republican insurrection on 1/6 over lies about the election

          Notice how we're now almost two years in without a repeat of that "large increase" of political violence? And sorry, but stochastic terrorism is a ridiculous concept.

          • (Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 16 2022, @08:23PM (7 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 16 2022, @08:23PM (#1280081)

            Notice how we're now almost two years in without a repeat of that "large increase" of political violence? And sorry, but stochastic terrorism is a ridiculous concept.

            I think Paul Pelosi might disagree with you on that.Just sayin'.

            • (Score: 0, Troll) by khallow on Thursday November 17 2022, @04:26AM (6 children)

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday November 17 2022, @04:26AM (#1280155) Journal

              I think Paul Pelosi might disagree with you on that.Just sayin'.

              So what? It remains true. There have been no more 1/6-style protests for a glaring example.

              • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 17 2022, @04:15PM (5 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 17 2022, @04:15PM (#1280216)

                Political terrorism puts an old man in the hospital and khallow says "so what?"

                Conservatives we found your problem, and it is a pervasive sociopathy that lets you say shit like "so what?" and "didn't happen" regarding political terrorism. This isn't all that surprising after all your insurrection denying. Still disappointing.

                • (Score: 0, Troll) by khallow on Friday November 18 2022, @12:25AM (4 children)

                  by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday November 18 2022, @12:25AM (#1280274) Journal

                  Political terrorism puts an old man in the hospital and khallow says "so what?"

                  Oh the drama!

                  Conservatives we found your problem, and it is a pervasive sociopathy that lets you say shit like "so what?" and "didn't happen" regarding political terrorism. This isn't all that surprising after all your insurrection denying. Still disappointing.

                  In other words, we're not paying enough attention to your hysteria. I remain fine with that. If you should ever find real problems that warrant my attention, please feel free to bring them to my attention. But this isn't one of those things. Just look at the feeble crumbs you managed to find - 1/6 and hammer guy. This just isn't serious.

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 18 2022, @07:30PM (3 children)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 18 2022, @07:30PM (#1280393)

                    Insurrection and political terrorism "just isn't serious."

                    At least you've made it clear, you are a partisan hack that has always employed bad faith argument styles in the typical conservative fashion for "winning." As long as you can float some bullshit FUD you aren't forced to address your failures and immoral policies. Now we have an insurrection and possible attempted assassination, and you have drawn a clear line in the sand that you stand with rightwing terrorists. This is not a time when you get to pretend at enlightened centrism. The GOP tried to overthrow the US government, so regardless of how badly they botched the attempt you either categorically condemn it or you are a supporter of the white supremacist movement trying to install a fascist christian state.

                    Your choice buddy, given your supposedly real persona I would expect you to condemn the GOP, but all you have are excuses. Is admitting the fascism of the GOP an existential threat to your own mind?

                    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday November 19 2022, @04:57AM (2 children)

                      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday November 19 2022, @04:57AM (#1280443) Journal

                      Insurrection and political terrorism "just isn't serious."

                      Why the "scare quotes"? This is the only true statement in your post. It was nothing as an insurrection. And you can only point to hammer guy as your political terrorism - unless, of course, you should choose to add FBI-sponsored terrorism as such. Either way, it's not a big deal.

                      Really, what is the point here? You just not have enough real problems in your life?

                      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 19 2022, @02:41PM (1 child)

                        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 19 2022, @02:41PM (#1280498)

                        The BLM riots over George Floyd resulted in less death than the insurrection but you whined about those for years. I sense double standards and hypocrisy!

                        From khallow?? No, say it aint so!!

                        Anyway, here we are arguing as the US empire crumbles and the wee biddy fascists throw a tantrum because anger and violence are all they know.

                        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday November 20 2022, @04:49AM

                          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday November 20 2022, @04:49AM (#1280595) Journal
                          It remains remarkable how little you claim here. Glancing at Wikipedia, it claims that there are 19 deaths associated with the Floyd protests through to June 2020. Similarly, five deaths have been similarly associated with the January 6 protest. Combined we speak of no more than 25 deaths, which just isn't serious for that much protesting and rioting.( The actual number due to violence (rather than merely associated with the protests in question) was probably significantly lower. For example, only one person died directly from violence in the January 6 protest.)

                          So all this hyperventilating is over a cause of death that's probably an order of magnitude lower than lightning deaths in the US. We really need a sense of perspective here.
      • (Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Wednesday November 16 2022, @04:57PM (5 children)

        by cmdrklarg (5048) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday November 16 2022, @04:57PM (#1280056)

        One could say the same of the tiger-repelling rock. At least with Y2K, there was an actual problem that had already reared up multiple times.

        The tiger-repelling rock analogy only works when there are no tigers to repel. We very clearly had multiple alt-right MAGAts running for public office in the last election. Having election deniers in positions of power would have been an existential threat to our democratic republic (aka an actual problem).

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        • (Score: 0, Troll) by khallow on Thursday November 17 2022, @01:05AM (4 children)

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday November 17 2022, @01:05AM (#1280136) Journal

          We very clearly had multiple alt-right MAGAts running for public office in the last election.

          Running for office is pretty low impact. Getting elected is a different story.

          Having election deniers in positions of power would have been an existential threat to our democratic republic (aka an actual problem).

          Didn't happen though. A major asteroid impact would have been an existential threat as well. It didn't happen either.

          • (Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Thursday November 17 2022, @08:32PM (3 children)

            by cmdrklarg (5048) Subscriber Badge on Thursday November 17 2022, @08:32PM (#1280240)

            Didn't happen though.

            Didn't happen because people did something about it. We alerted the rest of the electorate about what these assholes were about, and the electorate responded accordingly.

            A major asteroid impact would have been an existential threat as well. It didn't happen either.

            Yes it did, it happened ~65 million years ago. Just because it didn't happen yesterday doesn't mean that it isn't a possible future threat.

            Sticking our heads in the sand won't stop events from happening. Identifying and mitigating a threat can stop it. We can't do much about an asteroid yet, but we're working on that. Keeping obviously dishonest people out of positions of power is well within our ability however.

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            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday November 17 2022, @11:42PM (2 children)

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday November 17 2022, @11:42PM (#1280267) Journal

              Didn't happen because people did something about it.

              Indeed. That's my point. You're attributing this to your tiger-repelling rock, but people would have done something about it anyway.

              Yes it did, it happened ~65 million years ago. Just because it didn't happen yesterday doesn't mean that it isn't a possible future threat.

              But surely, the threat heightens somewhat when an impact actually happens yesterday as opposed to being something that would happen in the next few tens of millions of years.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 19 2022, @09:16PM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 19 2022, @09:16PM (#1280546)

                Well well well, so khallow engages in blatant apathy propaganda. Who cares about the fascists, they failed their first real attempt to overthrow democracy in the US so who cares? Why bother prosecuting losers that can't even hang the VP Mike Pence despite their chanting and shoddy gallows?

                Truly you are a piece of shit. At least runaway is an open racist that does not hide too much of his shitty views, but you are the insidious propagandist trying to erode people's will to stand up to the fascists. Otherwise your constant pushback against justice for criminal traitors is.. troubling to say the least.

                N/T trying to bury with a pointless new journal!

                • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday November 20 2022, @04:53AM

                  by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday November 20 2022, @04:53AM (#1280596) Journal

                  Who cares about the fascists, they failed their first real attempt to overthrow democracy in the US so who cares?

                  This conversation is somewhat depressing. I point out how meager a problem this really was and get this "but fascists!" gobbledygook. Show a real problem that comes out of this or just stop wasting our time.

                  Truly you are a piece of shit. At least runaway is an open racist that does not hide too much of his shitty views, but you are the insidious propagandist trying to erode people's will to stand up to the fascists. Otherwise your constant pushback against justice for criminal traitors is.. troubling to say the least.

                  I disagree. I just think you're one of the many would-be fascists we need to stand up to.

  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 15 2022, @08:45PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 15 2022, @08:45PM (#1279906)

    People are starting to notice that the presidency of DJT is like the best thing that ever happened for the Democrats. Soon we will see if he is the gift that keeps on giving. Run Forest! Run!

  • (Score: 3, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday November 16 2022, @02:30AM (20 children)

    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Wednesday November 16 2022, @02:30AM (#1279943) Journal

    n/t

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    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday November 16 2022, @03:06AM (19 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday November 16 2022, @03:06AM (#1279946) Journal

      You lost. Get over it.

      Already have. I'm used to the Libertarians losing. But isn't it funny how I can't just comment on the interesting aspects of this election without idiots losing their shit? You're not the only one.

      Here, let's review the situation again. Traditionally, there's routine swings towards the other major party during a midterm election. And it's worse when the economy is messed up - like present. If this were a normal election we should see a sizable swing towards the Republicans. Perhaps not the heralded "red tide", but something.

      That indicates a huge fail on the part of the Republicans.

      Moving on, the ads I referred to sound like an interesting use of dog whistling, used in such a way as to encourage the faithful to rally to the support of the alt-right candidate while helping make them even more radioactive to the rest of the voters. A slick way to sabotage the Republican primaries though it has risks (such as the possibility of electing the crazier people).

      • (Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 16 2022, @05:56AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 16 2022, @05:56AM (#1279967)

        Republicans were vulnerable to this because mainstream Republicans haven't rejected the alt-right and the conspiracy theorists in their party. One of the big issues is denying the results of the 2020 election, and mainstream Republicans haven't done enough to reject this. This site contains a list of Republican candidates in this election cycle who rejected the outcome of the 2020 election: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/republicans-trump-election-fraud/ [fivethirtyeight.com]. These aren't exactly limited to the fringes of the Republican party. Kevin McCarthy is listed as having fully denied the outcome of the 2020 election. He's also likely to become Speaker of the House in January. There are other high-ranking members of the Republican party like Elise Stefanik, who have also rejected the 2020 election results. It's one thing to have people on the fringes of the party embrace some crazy ideas. It's different when mainstream members of the party and even the party leadership tolerate things like election denial and even embrace it. I agree with Azuma's sentiment. Even though Democrats did help unelectable candidates win primaries, this is ultimately a self-inflicted issue for the Republicans. They should never have tolerated and embraced the lunacy to begin with.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 16 2022, @08:28PM (17 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 16 2022, @08:28PM (#1280083)

        But isn't it funny how I can't just comment on the interesting aspects of this election without idiots losing their shit?

        What you term "idiots losing their shit" looks to many of the rest of us as people adamantly disagreeing with you. Next time, try being less deplorable.

        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday November 17 2022, @01:11AM (16 children)

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday November 17 2022, @01:11AM (#1280137) Journal

          But isn't it funny how I can't just comment on the interesting aspects of this election without idiots losing their shit?

          What you term "idiots losing their shit" looks to many of the rest of us as people adamantly disagreeing with you. Next time, try being less deplorable.

          Then answer this simple question. What actual threat was there during this election? There's a remarkable inability on your part to express a real world danger that the "many of the rest of us" should care about.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 17 2022, @04:19PM (5 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 17 2022, @04:19PM (#1280217)

            1/6

            Just because Trump's attempted coup failed does not mean it should be ignored or that there is not still a danger from rightwing terrorists. Why do you persist in trying to normalize political terrorism?

            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday November 18 2022, @12:22AM (4 children)

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday November 18 2022, @12:22AM (#1280273) Journal

              Just because Trump's attempted coup failed does not mean it should be ignored or that there is not still a danger from rightwing terrorists.

              Actually it is a strong demonstration that it should be ignored and we should worry about real dangers instead of the scary rightwing terrorists. Seriously, nothing came of this protest and it actually set back the Trump side. A bunch of people who misbehaved are going to jail. That's it.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 18 2022, @03:23PM (3 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 18 2022, @03:23PM (#1280349)

                When you are able to use the proper words for reality we can revisit this discussion.

                • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday November 19 2022, @04:54AM (2 children)

                  by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday November 19 2022, @04:54AM (#1280442) Journal
                  See my previous posts for examples of how to use proper words for reality. Semantics isn't a problem here. Trying to make mountains out of molehills is.
                  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 19 2022, @08:21AM (1 child)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 19 2022, @08:21AM (#1280471)

                    The November Meeting of the khallow liquidation meeting has concluded. A motion was carried to the effect that khallow does not know his shit from shineola. Appropriate measures were advanced, but so far they are only in the truck. Time to grow up, khallow, before your teenage libertarian fantasy gets somebody kilt.

                    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday November 19 2022, @12:06PM

                      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday November 19 2022, @12:06PM (#1280482) Journal

                      Time to grow up, khallow, before your teenage libertarian fantasy gets somebody kilt.

                      Sure, but a bunch of us will have to deal with this [tradingeconomics.com].

                      The United States Government Debt is estimated to have reached 137.20 percent of the country's Gross Domestic Product in 2021.

                      My allegedly immature libertarian fantasies won't kill anyone as fast as hitting Greek levels of austerity will.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 18 2022, @05:50PM (6 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 18 2022, @05:50PM (#1280371)

            Then answer this simple question. What actual threat was there during this election? There's a remarkable inability on your part to express a real world danger that the "many of the rest of us" should care about.

            Some deniers of the 2020 election actually did manage to win election this time around. While the fact that few if any of them were elected in swing states blunts their impact going forward, they can still cause an incredible amount of damage in 2024. That seems to me to be a pretty clear "real world danger " that we should care about. Or are free and fair elections something that you are not too concerned about?

            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday November 19 2022, @04:59AM (5 children)

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday November 19 2022, @04:59AM (#1280444) Journal

              Some deniers of the 2020 election actually did manage to win election this time around.

              And that's a threat how? I find it remarkable how we have this same trivial crap over and over again.

              While the fact that few if any of them were elected in swing states blunts their impact going forward, they can still cause an incredible amount of damage in 2024.

              How?

              • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 19 2022, @02:37PM (4 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 19 2022, @02:37PM (#1280497)

                You are such a wanker just constantly downplaying the fascist threat. Many give you the benefit of a doubt by adduming your claimed libertarian views are serious. Sadly it is just cover to make your attempts to downplay Republican fascism as anything but self serving propaganda. A real libertarian wouldn't be defending domestic terrorism and would definitely not have been defending Trump for years. But that is the state of US conservatives, lies and hate are perfectly fine because reasons.

                • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday November 20 2022, @01:06AM (3 children)

                  by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday November 20 2022, @01:06AM (#1280570) Journal

                  You are such a wanker just constantly downplaying the fascist threat.

                  It's because I'm not an idiot. There's several things to remember here. First, it's not much of a threat. As I repeatedly noted, all you can whine about is a couple acts of violence, a protest, and some FBI entrapment. That's pretty weak particularly when you consider how much damage these alleged fascists have done to themselves.

                  Second, there's all kinds of threats and frankly, all kinds of would-be fascists. These guys aren't anything special. I won't obsess over certain unlikely threats while missing bigger ones.

                  A real libertarian wouldn't be defending domestic terrorism and would definitely not have been defending Trump for years. But that is the state of US conservatives, lies and hate are perfectly fine because reasons.

                  To the contrary, the unpopular so-called fascists are canaries in the coal mine. The first to be oppressed won't be the popular. It'll be the marginalized and unknown. Libertarians don't have to defend nice people.

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 20 2022, @06:58AM (2 children)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 20 2022, @06:58AM (#1280619)

                    To the contrary, the unpopular so-called fascists are canaries in the coal mine.

                    Your so-called "couple acts of violence, a protest, and some FBI entrapment" are canaries in the coal mine. Paul Pelosi is also a canary in the coal mine.

                    It's clear that despite your denials, even you know the matter is quite serious. Were it not serious, you wouldn't lose your shit every time someone states that an armed insurrection occurred on January 6, 2021.

                    I see you've repeatedly posted the same ineffectual stuff throughout this discussion. You got so triggered that you posted nonsense many times.

                    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday November 20 2022, @02:42PM (1 child)

                      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday November 20 2022, @02:42PM (#1280677) Journal

                      Your so-called "couple acts of violence, a protest, and some FBI entrapment" are canaries in the coal mine. Paul Pelosi is also a canary in the coal mine.

                      With the exception of the FBI entrapment, I disagree. What future problems are there? The worst thing I see here is the hysteria (which feeds those FBI shenanigans). You have yet to show that there's actual problems associated with this alleged warning.

                      Here's my take. Some people have misbehaved and they have caused some harm and hurt some people. They are now facing justice. Society has well-developed corrective procedures for this sort of thing and they are working mostly as expected. The FBI entrapment is a matter of concern however since it's a persistent source of injustice that needs to be stopped.

                      Basically, we don't need to care what these people choose to believe. When they break the law, we already know how to deal with them. Just deal with them fairly and equally, and there's no long term issue.

                      Here, the true warning is the breaking of law to attack belief systems rather than address genuine problems. Public hysteria like what you exhibit here, helps provide cover, but it's a larger problem that will be abused by anyone who gets into power.

                      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 20 2022, @04:31PM

                        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 20 2022, @04:31PM (#1280687)

                        In order for democracy to function, people must have confidence their votes are counted fairly and accurately. This statement is not controversial at all given that election security experts like Bruce Schneier have said this, and it has also been used to justify highly partisan audits in states that Biden narrowly won in 2020. When this involves an issue that is fundamental to our system of government, trust in free in fair elections, it is a serious matter. You've repeatedly stated that it's not a problem if large swathes of people don't have confidence in our electoral system, just as you have in this post. That puts you at odds with political science experts, historians, election security experts, and politicians across the political spectrum. Even the election deniers agree with this, which has been their pretext for justifying highly partisan audits in states like Arizona.

                        A functioning democracy requires trust that elections are free and fair, because when this fails, people are less likely to participate in elections, and they may refuse to allow the peaceful transfer of power. This is both intuitive and supported by historical evidence.

                        You are disputing something that is supported by historical evidence of democratic backsliding, experts in a variety of relevant fields, and politicians across the political spectrum. Despite taking a position that is in conflict with the almost universally supported idea that democracy requires trust that elections are free and fair, you've provided no evidence to support your position.

                        Whenever someone points out that the 2020 election denial was a serious matter, you show up and proceed to lose your shit. You repeat the same unsupported arguments while discrediting anyone who disagrees with you as hysterical. Your repeated use of the ad hominem fallacy and red herrings distracts away from your failure to support your position.

                        Instead of losing your shit and invoking the ad hominem logical fallacy some more, you should support your position that widespread distrust that elections are free and fair is not harmful to democracy.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 20 2022, @05:18AM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 20 2022, @05:18AM (#1280599)

            You've gone to great lengths to deny the seriousness of the other efforts to overturn the 2020 election. When someone puts as much effort as you have trying to persuade people that this is no big deal, it's a pretty good indication that it is, indeed, a big deal. Your attempts to revise history and spread misinformation about the events of January 6, 2021 are a strong indication that this was a serious matter, and that we shouldn't just let it go like you want everyone to.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 20 2022, @04:36PM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 20 2022, @04:36PM (#1280688)

              I see that khallow isn't touching my comment. That's probably because it's a bit too accurate for his liking.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 21 2022, @10:38PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 21 2022, @10:38PM (#1280905)

                What a perfect call out. If someone thought something was no big deal they'd just laugh at the comments, but instead khallow must try and prove that Republican treason and sedition are no big deal. Like he did for everything the previous administration did. When someone is incapable of criticizing someone like Trump there is only one answer, they are white supremacists trying to consolidate power by abusing legal loopholes to seize the little power delegated to We The People.

                Truly khallow is an enemy of the people, but he could condemn the white supremacists known as the GOP any time he'd like. Sorta like Trump could have, but instead chose "stand back and stand by" after he claimed to not know them. Reality has beaten satire, double you tee jefe.

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