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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 15 2022, @10:18AM (36 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 15 2022, @10:18AM (#1282494)

    Others may have had temporary bans but have been able to return once the ban is completed.

    Point being, why would they, after being treated so rudely, by an imperious dick?

    (And why does using Tor constantly throw form errors? Bug, or really do not want any anonymous contributions?)

  • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Thursday December 15 2022, @12:13PM (1 child)

    by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Thursday December 15 2022, @12:13PM (#1282506) Journal

    why would they, after being treated so rudely

    Most have returned and continue to post up to this very day.

    • (Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 31 2022, @08:06AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 31 2022, @08:06AM (#1284507)

      After being treated so rudely, by an imperious dick? What lickspittle hushpuppies! No wonder there is no decent discussion here anymore! You killed SoylentNews, janrinok! Killed it dead.

  • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Thursday December 15 2022, @02:48PM (33 children)

    by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Thursday December 15 2022, @02:48PM (#1282533) Journal

    And why does using Tor constantly throw form errors?

    I don't know - but possibly it is because it is being abused by thousands of people each day to carry out attacks on websites, or to distribute Spam, or to facilitate port scans on numerous computers each day. The exit nodes are being included on more and more ban lists. If they are on a list that we use then you will not be connected.

    But form errors are usually caused at the user end. Nothing to do with us at all. If you have a username and an account you will not have any of these problems, but that is your choice.

    Bug, or really do not want any anonymous contributions?

    I tried to help ACs a week or two back but Anonymous Coward told me that you do not want my help. So, for the moment you are back at the bottom of my todo list or, more accurately, not even on it. You were my priority, but not now. Sort yourselves out and let me know when you have done so.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 15 2022, @07:44PM (4 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 15 2022, @07:44PM (#1282575)

      I tried to help ACs a week or two back but Anonymous Coward told me that you do not want my help.

      You call banning all pure AC posting "helping"? I think you are doing it wrong. And, you are one of the easiest Boomers to trigger, janrinok. Here, have some more of Simon & Garfunkle's "Sounds of Silence".

      • (Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2022, @09:52AM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 30 2022, @09:52AM (#1284403)

        I love being helped by janrinok. When we ACs were all drowning, he threw us an anchor! When we were on fire, he poured petrol on us. When we were hungry, he gave us British cuisine. Thanks, janrinok!

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 07 2023, @07:17AM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 07 2023, @07:17AM (#1285631)

          Poor ACs! Janrinok helped us. When we had herpes, he fucked us in the ass and gave us AIDS. I am sure it was not intentional.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 07 2023, @07:26AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 07 2023, @07:26AM (#1285634)

            I guess this is what passes for Greek philosophy these days. Isn't that right, aristarchus?

            I pity you, because your life must be so meaningless that you get your pleasure from posting vile spam like this, and from obsessing over Runaway1956 and janrinok.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 07 2023, @07:40AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 07 2023, @07:40AM (#1285638)

              Are you saying that janrinok gave Runaway the STD, or vice versa? [BTW, vice versa is Latin for "the other way around".]

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 15 2022, @10:23PM (27 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 15 2022, @10:23PM (#1282592)

      I tried to help ACs a week or two back but Anonymous Coward told me that you do not want my help. So, for the moment you are back at the bottom of my todo list or, more accurately, not even on it. You were my priority, but not now. Sort yourselves out and let me know when you have done so.

      A lot of logged-in users were appreciative and thanked you for your idea to enable AC access to the entire site. As you have said, you don't really have a way to track AC votes when soliciting opinions about changes to the site. The IPID may change, but all AC posts are made under UID 1. As such, ACs who are supportive of the plan might have thought their votes wouldn't count. Although some people have valid questions and concerns, I think that there are ACs who would use the opportunity to once again post about technology and science in front page stories. However, my comment may be indistinguishable from other ACs.

      • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Friday December 16 2022, @08:47AM (12 children)

        by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Friday December 16 2022, @08:47AM (#1282634) Journal

        As such, ACs who are supportive of the plan might have thought their votes wouldn't count.

        I clearly wrote something along the lines of "This is your opportunity to have your say. Do not waste it". If they didn't speak out then they wasted a chance to do so.

        Maybe we will return to it in a few months time when there are not a million other things to do.

        However, my comment may be indistinguishable from other ACs.

        Not so :)

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 16 2022, @06:18PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 16 2022, @06:18PM (#1282722)

          As an accountless AC, i had my say, though maybe i didn't raise my support clearly enough, i wonder. Technically i don't have much to say, since web tech is not my bowl of cereal. And i don't want to make you or anyone helping with this feel like i've pissed in their cereal, which kind of seems you feel someone did to you.

          I hope you raise the issue back to the appropiate urgency level, where you see fit.

          Any AC saying not needing help with this can be ignored or taken behind a sauna.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2022, @12:57PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2022, @12:57PM (#1283308)

          Such a big man!

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 21 2022, @01:57AM (9 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 21 2022, @01:57AM (#1283437)

          At the risk of getting in trouble for being off-topic or saying things that offend people, I am going to suggest a few things.

          First, while bugs are being fixed and the cadence of stories is slowed, why not post blank stories [soylentnews.org] where users can discuss anything they want to talk about? I propose posting one of these every 2-3 days and allowing pure AC posting in blank stories. If blank stories fill up with spam or political bickering, then perhaps don't post them as frequently when that happens. But you might find that you also get a lot of random but interesting discussions.

          Second, regarding AC posting, there is another way forward. Instead of tracking ACs, you could reopen pure AC posting, then give editors unlimited mod points to spam mod people who crapflood or habitually disrupt discussions. Meanwhile, encourage users to focus on modding up good comments.

          Third, I suggest adding a link to tip the editor for every story, where users can donate a bit of money to any staff member for their work. I think there are enough generous people in the community who might be willing to directly contribute a few dollars to staff for their work. This would be different from the subscriptions in that it wouldn't fund the site's expenses but instead pay the staff for their time. That might encourage more people to become staff members, which could increase the number of stories posted and grow the site.

          Fourth, I suggest increasing the karma bonus given to users whose stories require minimal edits. One option would be to run contextual ads on the site, which could generate revenue. However, users who submit stories that require minimal editing would have the option of disabling ads for awhile in exchange for their positive contributions. The revenue from ads could be used for existing costs or perhaps as stipends for users who work behind the scenes and wouldn't be as likely to get tips.

          I understand that the second option requires a bit of work, and the third or fourth are more complex than that. However, I hope you'll consider these ideas, which I am suggesting to you with the very best of intentions.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 21 2022, @08:02AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 21 2022, @08:02AM (#1283455)

            Check out the journal of nostyle, https://soylentnews.org/~nostyle/journal/ [soylentnews.org]

            He has been posting mostly blank journals and accepting unregistered AC comments. It remains an obscure corner of the site, but it is almost what you are (first) requesting.

          • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Thursday December 22 2022, @09:19AM (7 children)

            by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Thursday December 22 2022, @09:19AM (#1283573) Journal

            then give editors unlimited mod points to spam mod people who crapflood or habitually disrupt discussions

            Which is simply moving the burden to the few remaining active editors. How do we cover 24hrs a day to prevent child pornography or widespread spamming? Are you offering to help with this task?

            "habitually disrupt discussions" was exactly what a small number of ACs did. We spent months trying to control it with moderation but the only way to prevent it was to remove AC access to the main stories.

            ACs can come back on the front page when they are accountable while remaining anonymous.

            Third, I suggest adding a link to tip the editor for every story, where users can donate a bit of money to any staff member for their work. I think there are enough generous people in the community who might be willing to directly contribute a few dollars to staff for their work.

            That's a kind thought - but personally I would rather it simply went to a subscription. How will you know how much work people are doing behind the scenes? Is it only the names that reach the front page that will benefit?

            • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 22 2022, @05:53PM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 22 2022, @05:53PM (#1283612)

              ACs can come back on the front page when they are accountable while remaining anonymous.

              Thus it ever has been in Her His Majesty's Royal Navy! Keep calm, and beatings will continue until morale improves!

              Oh, the humanities! Oh, tempura! Oh, the massive Bowling Green Disruptions!

              • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 23 2022, @09:21AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 23 2022, @09:21AM (#1283699)

                Mr. Christian! Fletcher! Snap to it! Right proud and Bristol fashion!

            • (Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 01 2023, @09:37AM (4 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 01 2023, @09:37AM (#1284603)

              Which is simply moving the burden to the few remaining active editors. How do we cover 24hrs a day to prevent child pornography or widespread spamming? Are you offering to help with this task?

              Um, no? Spamming? Do you not mean banning posters critical of the right-wing nut-job racists? And disabling any new accounts? And insulting everyone who wants to make soylentnews a better place, and defend freeze peach?

              Do it yourself, janis, you have made your bed, chosen your path, and crapped in the punchbowl. Your mess, clean it up or pull the plug.

              • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Monday January 02 2023, @03:15PM

                by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Monday January 02 2023, @03:15PM (#1284781) Journal

                And disabling any new accounts?

                https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=23/01/02/1243230 [soylentnews.org]

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 03 2023, @04:13PM (2 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 03 2023, @04:13PM (#1284966)

                Nonsense, and you know it. I don't blindly agree with janrinok, and I emailed him some concerns this morning. But janrinok is not the problem here. You are.

                AC posting is disabled on the front page because you were spamming. You were free to criticize the alt-right as you saw fit. Those journals and comments are still available for anyone to read. They haven't been censored. When you actually criticized the alt-right, many people agreed with you and supported you. But you haven't criticized the alt-right in a long time. Instead, you've developed an obsession with Runaway and janrinok, and you spend your time attacking them. Your personal attacks against Runaway do not constitute a criticism of the alt-right.

                If you had actually stuck to criticizing the alt-right instead of obsessing over Runaway, you wouldn't have been banned. You used to post about things like critical race theory, and many people agreed with your posts. Even people who disagreed with you supported your freedom to post about those topics. Even after you doxxed Runaway, he supported your freedom to discuss politics and didn't call for you to be permanently banned.

                Your inability to create sock puppet accounts does not mean that new accounts are unwelcome. It means that you are permanently banned for doxxing and spamming.

                I've been very critical of Runaway for posting racist comments. Nobody ever censored me or banned me for criticizing Runaway's opinions or the alt-right. Most of the time, I got modded up for doing so. While I have raised criticisms of this site at times, I have never had a valid reason to claim that my criticism of the alt-right or Runaway's opinions was being censored. I have been free to express my criticisms, and so are you.

                Repeating the same lies over and over again is spam. Repetitive posting is considered spam, and that's exactly what you're doing. You've earned your spam mods.

                You are no martyr. Stop pretending to be one. Janrinok isn't the problem here. You are.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 03 2023, @08:32PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 03 2023, @08:32PM (#1285035)

                  Inigo Montoya: Who are you?
                  Man in Black: No one of consequence.
                  Inigo Montoya : I must know...
                  Man in Black : Get used to disappointment.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 07 2023, @07:19AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 07 2023, @07:19AM (#1285632)

                  I don't blindly agree with janrinok, and I emailed him some concerns this morning.

                  So, you are "special"? On the "inside"? In the SoylentNews admin daisychain?

      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2022, @10:19PM (13 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2022, @10:19PM (#1283400)

        Interesting how many logged in users don't realize that Post as AC is still tagged to their account. Janrinok has been open about that recently, but obviously it should be clarified with some text under the button. For a supposed community site there is very little respect for the plebe users from staff.

        • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2022, @10:23PM (12 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 20 2022, @10:23PM (#1283402)

          Or the fact that the IP is actually tracked and quite easily de-hashed since the hash hasn't changed since the site launched. For protecting free speech this site has done a miserable job aside from allowing disgusting content, likely with the usual techy attitude that users are idiots that dessrve what they get if they do not understand the privacy measures needed even for a supposed non-tracking free speech website.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 21 2022, @01:25AM (3 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 21 2022, @01:25AM (#1283433)

            This is why I always post as pure, unadulterated, AC. No log-in that links to an IP hash! Only downside is that I am constantly accused of being aristarchus. I don't think I even have his IP hash. Strange.

            • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Monday January 02 2023, @03:18PM (2 children)

              by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Monday January 02 2023, @03:18PM (#1284785) Journal

              Every login, every connection, every page view, has an IP address and therefore has an IP hash - that is how the internet works.....

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 03 2023, @10:45AM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 03 2023, @10:45AM (#1284916)

                He didn't say no IP hash, he said no log in that linked to an IP hash. Are you slow of reading comprehension, janrinok? I would get that looked at.

                • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Tuesday January 03 2023, @01:24PM

                  by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday January 03 2023, @01:24PM (#1284933) Journal

                  Every time you contact the site you have an IP. Logged in users change their IPs just like ACs do. You give us just as much, or just as little, information with each of your contacts as anyone else does. You are all still paranoid about rainbow hash tables etc - which the site does not have or use. They have been useless after the widespread introduction of TOR, VPNs and IPv6 i.e since around 2017. Your fears are unfounded (unless you are in the USA where they seem to be very slow in introducing IPv6).

                  We don't care WHO you are or WHERE you are. But if you really want to be anonymous - get off the internet. Every connection tells the site you are connecting to something.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 21 2022, @03:06PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 21 2022, @03:06PM (#1283472)

            How do you supposedly run the hash backwards to recover the IP?

            You really should go back and understand how this works. CdrTaco explained this way back in 1998 or so as to why it was done and needed, and if you are that paranoid about posted AC comments being tied to your account, then change your IP address. Use a VPN for one but not the other, or if you are on dynamic DNS, refresh your IP. I'm surprised you think the site has the resources and the desire to want to back out the IPs (which even if one could, I don't believe the whole IP address is hashed anyway).

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 21 2022, @03:16PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 21 2022, @03:16PM (#1283476)

              The old admin The Mighty Buzzard admitted it could be done. It is trivial if you know the hash and algorithm to then build a table of all hashed IPs. The hash seed has never been changed per Janrinok. For a pro-privacy site it is pretty horrifying how these simple details are not explained, and the "your IP is never recorded" is at best a grey lie. Supposedly true AC comments have the hashed IP dropped after a couple weeks, but logged in user comments have the IP hash stored forever even if you click "post as AC" which is another grey lie.

          • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Thursday December 22 2022, @09:20AM (5 children)

            by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Thursday December 22 2022, @09:20AM (#1283574) Journal

            Why are you replying to your own post as though you are a different AC?

            • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 22 2022, @05:56PM (4 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 22 2022, @05:56PM (#1283614)

              There can only be one. We are anonymous. We are legion. We are Anonymous Cowards. Expect us.

              (Seriously, I am really starting to think that janrinok has gone "round the bend". Replying to my own post? See above. )

              • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 24 2022, @01:51AM (3 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 24 2022, @01:51AM (#1283790)

                No jani was right, though I was not trying to post as a different AC like the paranoid boomer likes to imagine. TOR is not under my control, and jani the genius should know since he has pointed out many times that the invalid form keys are likely due to the TOR ip changing before hitting submit.

                Personally I can't believe posting the broad technical details about how SN fails privacy was modded troll. Then I remember that SN is not pro-privacy, and is just a shit site prividing playsible deniability so white supremacists like Runaway1956 can post their suggestions for political terrorism. It is quite clear.

                Now what other info might be leaking that makes jani so sure of his claims? Was it just the short time period between posts, paired with the lowest ever visitor counts? SNR much better when only a few dozen people bother to visit these days?

                Ah well, I thought about registering an account now that they finally banmed ACs most everywhere, but the lack of backbone to actually enforce the rules combined with the attacks I receive for be too similar to he-who-shall-not-be-aristarchused leaves a nasty taste in my mouth. Can't have it both ways, pure free speech with the shit posts that go with it, or limited speech where dumb ass filth gets users a ban.

                Maybe they can take a hint from Musk, his free speech absolutism seems to come with a rather large ban hammer.

                Sheeeeeit son, maybe they should just look to Fox News for what happens when you let white supremacist propagandists run amuck!
                https://reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/ztr5a9/so_glad_that_fox_news_was_the_most_watched_cable/ [reddit.com]

                ^there is that form key error, at least it gives the paranoid boi another data point B^)

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 24 2022, @02:52AM (2 children)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 24 2022, @02:52AM (#1283800)

                  Thanks for the cringe, go get euthanized in Canada.

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 24 2022, @06:44AM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 24 2022, @06:44AM (#1283815)

                    Problem is, cringe is standard operating procedure here on SoylentNews. It is called "disruption". If you dare to point out that horse paste is not a cure, or that overthrowing the Constitution of the United States to bring back Trumpoleon is not constitutional, well that is cringe. Janrinok is supporting Petain in the French elections, this year, only a 75 years too late. I really do believe that they do believe what they say, and that they deserve to die for the same.

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 24 2022, @04:48PM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 24 2022, @04:48PM (#1283856)

                    Project much? Telling someone to kill themselves is the ultimate cringe and shows that you are one of the filth posters. A quick check of the Venn diagram shows that you are 88% likely to be a Republican racist that simps for billionaires. Say goodnight sweety.